Rewilding

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  • EasyT
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    edited October 2019 #32

    Cull them, harvest them, send in the army: mankind seemed to make quite a job of culling its own population in Europe during world wars

  • Oneputt
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    edited October 2019 #33

    I wasn't  advocating we eat them I was just correcting someones view that were 2 million deer in the UK which is a wild underestimate.  There were approx 2000 Muntjac in the UK in 1963 so their growth has be phenomenal.  By the way Muntjacs can be shot all year round as they are an invasive species.  It is thought that Muntjac are the cause of 42k RTA every year 

  • Oneputt
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    edited October 2019 #34

     

    Post edited for you.

     
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  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited October 2019 #36

    That’s why Humans are so destructive & savage, the rest of the animal kingdom don’t wage war but they do have a war raged upon them. Sad but very true.

  • mickysf
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    edited October 2019 #37

    I was Op. Also eat pheasant and rainbow trout but would limit production of these two to those we can use purposefully in our dietary needs. That's where my stance may be different to some. Fishing and shooting should only be for one's table. I will readily admit that I often struggle with this stance and my opinion on the matter may change in the future. That's healthy isn't it, keeping an open mind?

  • SteveL
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    edited October 2019 #38

    They certainly have me to convince. Wolves are listed in the Dangerous Wild Animals Act, as a species requiring a licence. To obtain which you have to meet various criteria on containment, protection of the general public etc. They certainly didn't want to let us get off the bus in the Wolf enclosure at Longleat. I don't see that Wolves could be reintroduced safely in this crowded little island of ours. Even in the remoteness of Scotland there are just to many people visiting, walking, cycling, wild camping. 

    Carefully controlled rewilding ,utilising less dangerous species, I fully support.

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    I know your not advocating it ABM, just used your link as it mentioned reintroducing wolves. 

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited October 2019 #39

    +1👍🏻, the UK is too small an island to both safely or successfully allow a top carnivore like the Wolf to roam free, if it become restricted to an area then it is managed-not wild🤷🏻‍♂️. In vast countries the Wolf isn’t a major worry, we don’t have a vast country.

  • mickysf
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    edited October 2019 #40

    Here's an interesting proposition for Rewilding. This species has never been that common in recent decades but when habitats were more available breeding pairs in the British countryside were more abundant. May be there is a case for encouraging more now as the availability of crop pollinators is being adversely effected by mans actions.

    https://www.birdguides.com/articles/european-honey-buzzards-prey-on-invasive-hornets/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter231019&eid=597110&_ccCt=Ieup0nmAjGQLGLBOKZ9y8YihQuPfL%7eivqpuPHBUFh48G%7eRAo2a7klc%7egqpRqXqVn

  • Whittakerr
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    edited October 2019 #41

    I dont think the UK is too small just vastly over populated, but thats probably for another thread.

     

  • Oneputt
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    edited October 2019 #42

    Proof of your numbers would be useful

  • mickysf
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    edited October 2019 #43

    Fully agree, start at the bottom of the 'chain' and work up to a sensible pinicle. Goodness me, there are some pretty sterile tracks of under utilised land here in GB. It's finding that balance that's crucial. To ignore the issues we face we do at our peril and ultimately to our own collective detriment.

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  • EasyT
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    edited October 2019 #46

    2 to 4 million Muntjac? I don't believe that Jonah swallowed that whale either.

  • JVB66
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    edited October 2019 #47

    We have quite large areas of ancient woodland together with a lot of arrable land where we live, and it is not often that when out early morning or evenings we do not see munjac deer far more than other types in the area ,and they do cause problems with damage to replanting saplings    and are quite often involved in RTAs, there have been several "meetings" of how to carry out a cull ,so far none have been implemented, as it always comes Dow to when it would be "safe"to carry out as they say we are one of the highest populated counties in the country size wise

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  • Whittakerr
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    edited October 2019 #49

    Neither do i but the whale swallowing Jonah is another matter. wink

  • EasyT
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    edited October 2019 #50

    I don't believe that Jonah swallowed that whale either. Is my way of registering disbelief Whittaker - a personal saying of mine when I don't believe something.  

  • mickysf
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    edited October 2019 #51

    Is that the same as the blood-sucker water gelse. If so I'd keep well clear of them as they are more likely to eat us!wink

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  • mickysf
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    edited October 2019 #53

    How many animals did Jonah put in the Ark? The answer is none! But the reason why may be disguised or maybe misinformed as are some arguements for and against Rewilding.wink

  • EasyT
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    edited October 2019 #54

    How many animals did Jonah put in the Ark? The answer is none! 

    Whilst I don't believe in bible tales in general it is for sure Jonah would have had some livestock to feed on. Mind you I couldn't see a chicken flying off and coming back with an olive branch wink 

  • Oneputt
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    edited October 2019 #55

    Just knew you would bite😴

  • mickysf
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  • mickysf
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    edited October 2019 #58

    I think more of us fall foul of our own 'motivated reasoning', ET.surprised

    This thread is littered with several examples illustrated in the video don't you think!smile

  • EasyT
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    edited October 2019 #59

    We certainly fall foul of our beliefs. I believe that I have no desire to encounter wolves or Lynx or wild boar and certainly not the later with young surprised

     

  • mickysf
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    edited October 2019 #60

    Not to mention 'lions and tigers and bears, oh my!'wink

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