Travelling after Brexit
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Hi David,
Further to my last post, I don’t think the 1949 details are extant anymore. It is clear on the web site that the outcome of the1968 Convention, which was ratified in 1977, superceded the older regs and are now the latest Transport Regs.
And if you read through them, all 66 pages, they are quite interesting, covering every detail, which we tend to take for granted. And it is interesting to see that 78 countries world wide have signed up to these regs. The 1968 regs are much clearer on vehicle classes, with diagrams/drawings of vehicles and trailers. We can now see where the road toll companies get there info from on classes.
The query you had above about trailers over 750kg are known in the regs as a semi-trailer and there weight is not fixed, but instead the weight of the tow car and the trailer must not exceed 3500kgs.
Hope this helps, it can all be found on Wiki.
BillC
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The 1968 Convention (as described on Wiki) relates to car/caravan drivers towing a trailer which is heavier than 750kg categorised as BE. Older licences have BE as a category, newer drivers have to pass a BE test. If (as it would seem) the 1968 Convention replaced the 1949 convention then we caravanners should be safe with a 1968 IDP. I can't imagine that any Spanish policeman is going to know (or check) the fine print of both conventions.
Category BE: Motor vehicles of category В coupled to a trailer the permissible maximum mass of which exceeds 750 kg and exceeds the unladen mass of the motor vehicle; or motor vehicles of category В coupled to a trailer the permissible maximum mass of which exceeds 750 kg, where the combined permissible maximum mass of the vehicles so coupled exceeds 3,500 kg.
Can anyone link to the original document?
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Yes, what I meant was that this supports your view that the 1949 IDP which we are being told we need, and which is being sold to us if we are going to Spain, isn't required. However, those who want 'belt and braces' will probably buy both versions (we're a law abiding lot in the C&MC).
Out of interest, has anyone already got both IDPs, and how much difference is there in the wording between them?0 -
Law adding? Belt and braces? Me? I have no intention of buying either sort of IDP.
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Hi all,
Further to this string on IDP’s, I contacted DVLA last Friday and just got a reply. Which states:
“I appreciate you contacting ourselves to seek clarification on the matter.
I can confirm, you are correct in saying the 1968 convention supersedes the 1949 convention, but only between countries which have ratified it, such as France.
Spain has not ratified 1968 convention, therefore the international relationship between the UK and Spain continues to be guided by the 1949 Convention. As such, if the UK leaves the EU without a deal, drivers travelling through France and Spain may need to carry both 1968 and 1949 IDPs.
Please visit https://www.gov.uk/guidance/international-driving-permits-for-uk-drivers-from-28-march-2019 for further information on IDPs.
I hope that this information clarifies the situation and will assist you further.”
Hope this helps!
BillC
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The reply from the DVLA doesn't make sense. If a country didn't sign the 1949 agreement but only the later 1968 one, it would be unable to issue the 1949 version of an IDP. Consequently, people from those countries wouldn't be able to drive in Spain if DVLA's reasoning were true.
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The new Government guidance, issued on the 5th February 2019, makes interesting reading in that it now mentions that a 1926 version of the IDP is available - and may be required for Leichtenstein!
Travelling in the EU after Brexit.
There is also mention that if a driver is involved in an RTA in the EU then:
From 29 March 2019, in the event that there is no EU Exit deal, UK residents involved in a road traffic accident in an EU or EEA country should not expect to be able to make a claim in respect of that accident via a UK-based Claims Representative or the UK Motor Insurers’ Bureau (MIB).
Instead, UK residents involved in a road accident may need to bring a claim against either the driver or the insurer of the vehicle in the EU or EEA country where the accident happened. This may involve bringing the claim in the local language.
The website makes interesting reading because there is also a section on registering trailers!0 -
We need a comment from Red Pennant on their ability to honour the policy should a member need assistance. How does that affect vehicle insurance in general when driving in the EU after Brexit.no deal.
I think the trailer issue only applies to Commercial vehicles at the moment.. Worth watching
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I saw it and could see where it was likely to lead.
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