Arrival times
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I am sure their website is full of people moaning about that? or maybe people just book and accept it and get on with their holidays? or don't book as they don't like those times and go to a club site?
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Oh yes I remember that
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I'm sure it both busy and popular, just wondered if people moaned on their 'forum' about the rules?
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sorry not quite got that Dave, a similar message to yours - do you mean the they have set arrival times and departure times? I had got the mistaken impression that these did not exist over there?
As the need for booking too? what do you mean start booking?
Have you booked anything for this year like you did last time?
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Ah, but thats the interesting bit Corners!
A lot depends on who has defined and decided the rules, and even perceived "higher authorities" dont get it right, and certainly should be challenged as society evolves.Classic examples are Rosa Parkes, broke the rules, kickstarted the Equal Rights movement in USA. Suffragette Movement, (some) women allowed to vote for first time ever. Both are classic examples of determined individuals and groups bravely "breaking the rules" in the name of fairness, decency and equality. Rules written by so called higher authorities (in both cases predominantly white males!) that would be considered outdated and a scandal nowadays!
We only use Club Sites when they are not busy, so staying a bit later isn't usually an issue, but we always ask first. Our prime reason for membership nowadays is to access the CL network, the Club now has many more very prescriptive rules than when we first joined 30 plus years ago, mainly because it is trying to fit a quart (more members in huge outfits) into a pint pot (old sites originally designed for less users in smaller outfits). Most Club rules are sensible given how the Club membership has evolved, but a blanket policy applied at all sites, all of the time is rather harsh when it comes to arrival and departure times. Advocating local management is only a tiny bit rebellious!
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If you don't mind me saying so that is being very pedantic. There is no difference between a reservation and booking in real life and the two are used. Unlike your definition both can be with or without deposits, do I book at table at my local Toby's or do I reserve a table. The website says booking a table but I don't pay any deposit so fails your test?
But if that is your definition that's fine too
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So (a) " if I don't turn up ..." sounds a bit like speculative booking to me, David, you know, "depriving" someone else of that pitch
(b) how is "it may be lost" different from "non refundable"?
and (c) "we get the pitch we asked for or something similar" sounds like you're paying a reservation fee for something you might end up not getting anyway!
Well, it seems to suit you David and that's fair enough - at the end of the day that's all that really matters to any of us isn't it?
But I still fail to see the relevance to the subject raised in this particular thread.
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yes I absolutely agree with you and of course if rules or laws are unjust then they must be challenged. I never said otherwise did I?
But my point is that the rules in a club site , or indeed any privately owned club, hotel, organisation... whatever only have to be followed if you join/book/go there. The club has said this is the policy across all sites, if one thinks they are harsh then surly don't go there or don't join? These rules are not imposing on you unless you come to a club site of course. But to actually say you'll will abide by the rules, actually pay money to say so, then go in with the intent of not following them is, to me, just plain silly. Why rebel against something that you don't have to join in the first place?
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+1
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found this site near Florence at Figline Valarno. It's actually near to my Grandmothers old house and remember the town quite well and I'll be visiting relatives there soon. (PS it's not pronounced fig-line - that always makes the locals laugh - ignore the g and you're almost there )
Permitted arrival/departure time
Camping and touring
Arrive:
12 p.m. –
8 p.m.
Depart:
12 p.m.
No refunds/discounts for inclement weather, late arrivals or early departures.12 pm - 8pm, depart 12pm is this a club site? I though sites over there you just turned up when you want?
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The rebellious bit is interpretive! I view the arrival and departure times as sensible guidance, not "thou shalt not". Therefore, if I am on a none busy site, plenty of spare pitches all around at 11.30 am, I might ask if we can take our time leaving and packing up, and not scurry off a relatively empty site bang on 12 noon? If the Warden says no, then we would leave at 12 noon, but, as yet, we havent come across any Warden so unreasonable. If I was on Rowntree Park at a weekend, the question wouldnt even get asked, common sense and a glance at the bookings status says staying late is impossible.
I suppose its just being prepared to ask for something that seems quite reasonable rather than being a rebel in this instance. But asking might seem unfair to some, I dont know?
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yes agree again, and I have said that long warden's discretion reign. I have no objection to asking but those that do as they want without?
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Night night ABM, Corners and I are quite likely to be agreeing with each other in the morning!
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yes agree
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having experienced both the more relaxed Continental style of arrivals and the Club rigid system, I much prefer a site where a (say) morning arrival isn't greeted with 'the rule book' and a turning away.
when we tour, over there, we arrive when we arrive....sometimes early, sometimes very late, depending on many factors, but one of those is not clock watching.
as stated, I stick to 'the rules' when using club sites, which does/can result in plans revolving around the clock, but would happily phone ahead to request an earlier arrival if that fitted my plans...
the fact that other sites in the uk operate a more rigid arrivals timing system doesn't make it invalid to compare systems from other sites, wherever they might be...and it's not just arrival times where site processes at other organisations or locations could be learned from...
whether we label these as best practice (or dismiss the term pedantically) it matters not......the point is that any organisation should be constantly checking out the competition (in all locations) to ensure that they are delivering the best service at the best possible prices...
re: arrival times, the club could certainly learn a bit about flexibility in this area...
it just happens that the sites I've used that operate in a much more flexible way (even with a full site but a fair turnover each day) seem far less crowded (generally one arrival looking for a pitch at any one time, usually on foot), so has less vehicles moving on site, especially all at the same time, as can be the case when the CC barrier goes up...and has no queue of vehicle blocking access (or exit) roads....
i can see why, on certain CC sites with long narrow access roads, segregation can be good....though you'll never stop MH entering or leaving when they choose...but there must be very many sites where entry isn't an issue and timings could be easily relaxed......
perhaps a good thing to trial.....?
In these cases, it seems very petty to hold up arrivals until a 'certain time' but I'm sure a lot of this is to do with tasks/resources which is another issue....as was said earlier, tail and dog comes to mind.
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hi BB, You suggest a trial... but the trial of 9 am. arrivals at Edinburgh and 10 am. at Coniston have been running for years without causing problems. There are lots of other sites where those early arrivals would work well.
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thanks, ET, I had heard of those arrangements....I wonder why we don't hear of any severe congestion issues at those sites?
obviously, something must be different (staffing, mindset?) to have implemented (and retained) a completely different (better?) system to the majority of other club sites.
im sure someone with far more experience of these sites might be able to put their finger on it.
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have a good time
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