Electricity meters
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The Club acknowledged in previous posts on the subject that a SMART metering system would be the fairest and would undoubtedly reduce their site wide electrical usage and cost to members, However, fitting such a system would be prohibitively expense.
What puzzles me is why the Club cannot justify it but commercial sites can.
peedee
Presumabably this prohibitive cost would be passed to members?
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Well someone is using all the electricity when the Club has to weight the pitch fee between £4 and £5 to cover electricity costs
Where do you get your figures from?
Do we know what portion of pitch fee is for electricand what portion purely for the infrastructure in that provisionand it's payback time?
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It seems that the average cost of electricity is 17 pence per kilowatt. So if members used 10 kilowatts a day, which at most times of the year would be more than they currently use, the daily cost would be £1.70. If that was the extent of the nightly reduction with members having to use a metering systems I can't imagine that many members would be convinced it was a worthwhile project. There would also be the risk that the Club would want to recover the cost of conversion through the site fees which would suggest that members could end up paying the same site fees plus the electricity?
David
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Questions, questions, questions but no real defence of the current policy!
The only thing I am going to say further on the subject is more touring sites in the UK probably don't do it because they are not open all year and for such sites, control of electricity costs is probably not such an imperitive as one offering pitches in the colder months.
peedee
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the prohibitive cost of an unnecessary rebrand was passed on to members without them knowing....
any business can make investments and decide the rate at which the cost should be recovered....
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But at least the rebrand was done (in the possibly misguided) attempt to bring in new business....
Other than a tiny handful of obsessed eco-warriors, what new business will be brought in by installing electric meters on every pitch....?
I will answer the question for you....none....
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That's a bit of a cop out isn't it PD?
Firstly you dodged the question of which/how many commercial sites have gone down the metering route, then you claim that if they don't it's because they're not open all year. Well many commercial sites are open all year and haven't done this so I don't see that as any justification really.
Defence of the current policy? Sure - it appears to suit the vast, vast majority of folk who use CAMC sites and at the end of the day all any organisation can do is to satisfy the vast majority of its clientele - there will always be the tiny majority for which things aren't quite as they'd wish - just think of 48% of the voting UK population!
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So the club decides to spend money from somewhere that perhaps could be spent on other things fitting meters to all its bollards on all sites.
I really interested to know how you with your business experience in running sites (did Clarks have any camping sites?) could say how this expense (in the club words prohibitively expensive) could then (in your own words) the cost should be recovered....
I mean all the club can then do is charge whatever electricity people use, they can't legally charge more than that, so they can't recover any of the costs of installing meters from that? I suppose they could recover this prohibitively cost from putting site fees up in the follow year? Not a good solution? The club does say it would reduce electricity usage but enough to cover the cost alone without putting up fees? I suppose that the club has done its homework and found that it is not worth it for the costs involved. I suppose that is why they say it is prohibitively costly?
But what do you think and any other suggestions would be helpful BB?
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Your post is typical of numerous posts that appear on here that do not answer and are sidestepped, what was perfectly ligitimate questions as to how the comments/facts made by the poster were more than an attempt to try to make any real sense of the OP
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That's a bit of a cop out isn't it PD?
Not a cop out at all Moulesy, I am just not prepared to answer questions which are easily researched if the poster made an effort to check what I write.
Let me ask a question,
How much do you think it would cost to fit a smart meter and how much do you think would have to be levid to cover this cost. I have a pretty good idea. Google is your friend.
Lets have less of the specualtion and questions and more postings of a bit more fact.
peedee
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David if your figures are correct then the club is going to have to increase site fees by around £4 per night to keep revenue the same as it is now.
I base my figures on the nightly cost of an electric pitch at Alderstead Heath v a non electric economy pitch.
For 1 night 2 adults the cost a a standard awning pitch is £19.50 for tomorrow night. The cost for an economy non electric pitch is £13.90 which indicates the club is charging £5.60 for electric. So if all the Electric pitches were charged at the basic rate of £13.90 then the average use of electric was £1.70 it leaves a shortfall of £3.90 for the majority of pitches. Assuming the club is only charged £1.70 for the electric it seems they make a profit each day of £3.90 to hire the bollard so this loss would have to be recovered plus more to cover the cost of putting in meters?
I prefer the way it is and see no point in installing very costly meters with all the effort associated in paying on departure (how do the early morning leavers get on), lost cards etc.
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How much do you think it would cost to fit a smart meter and how much do you think would have to be levid to cover this cost. I have a pretty good idea. Google is your friend.
I googled it and came up with this PD
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As a stop gap, the CMC could easily modify the Bollard outlets to only deliver 6 amps before tripping. That would reduce the huge electricity bills which they are currently experiencing. The cost saving would easily repay the outlay.
6 Amps is sufficient to keep the leisure battery fully charged and power a TV (if that's what people want to do on holiday) and as vans have gas heating and gas cooking what more do we need.
K
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Who said they have huge electricity bills? Obviously more than a domestic bill but they get better rates than domestic and I would guess the cost of water, drainage, heating (shower block and water) far outweighs it. I know our water bill is more than electric at home...
Should we reduce the water pressure to just a dribble to stop people using that too?
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I am no expert at all in modifying bollards as you are, so perhaps you could tell us how easy it is to do? How does anyone reduce amp to a location? Is it easy? Again a cost would be involved? even at a £1 per bollard, again no idea at all about costs.
But I don't like gas, electricity is safer.
Again why this push from one of two to install meters and reduce amps? If its a green issue then don't tow/MH at all. If you are worried about such issues how can you justify towing/MH with it's increased mpg... If you are that 'concerned' stay at home and/or go camping with a bike.
also again do these people ask hotels for similar things?
I go away on holiday to enjoy myself and use the same things I use at home, mainly comfort
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or have one of those push button things to start the shower and having to keep pushing it?
Hang on, why even have hot water?
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PD - I'm not the one advocating this change so why would I do that reseach? I've yet to use any site with metered electricity but I suspect that if I did I'd save a few quid because we use relatively little anyway. But to be honest it's not a great concern to me if someone next door is getting a few extra quid's worth!
Yes, I'd like a bit more posting of facts - facts to support the change you're suggesting would be a good start though.
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Lets have less of the specualtion and questions and more postings of a bit more fact.
I'm all for that PD.
How about you name the site in your OP so we can all see whether it looks as good as a club site?
In fact does it exist at all or have you knocked up those instructions on Photoshop for a bit of a laugh?
And what about these other commercials that you say are installing meters...?
Time to " Put up or shut up" I think.......
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In fairness to PD, I believe he did name the site earlier in the thread - Bank Farm, Horton on The Gower was it? I'll leave folk to decide for themselves if it's on a par with club sites - we've walked past/ through it quite often when visiting that area.
But PD also said earlier he had "vast experience" of using metered electricity so yes, it would be ice to have some supporting evidence of all the other sites.
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No one has offered any costs for the installation of these meters. If, and I only say if, this unit is about the norm and installation costs per meter are in the region of £100/£200 then we are looking at a cost per pitch of £400. This of course does not include any of the control units which I imagine cost a great deal more. Working on that basis a 100 pitch site would cost about half a million pounds to convert. Even if I have over estimated the cost by double it is still a massive amount of money. Assuming the Club would want to convert all sites it would come to a figure that even the Club could not afford.If people then suggest that a few sites could be done at a time think of the confusion amongst members on a tour of several site.
David
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Oh, thanks for that M....
but are you sure that is the site.....PD says £12 a night..?
That's not anything like their website reads....
And look at the price of all the "extras"
I think he's been spinning us a yarn......
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We are away at the moment, the weather has been mixed, so a bit of heating used, using shower in van, some cooking, large fridge/freezer, large van..........we have used 11.5 kwhs per day on average.
We have also used some gas for both heating and HW.
In cold weather we would average around 30 kwhs per day.
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One to avoid for me as well at that price but I can asure you I paid £12p.n with the help of the C&CC. I stayed 6 nights and paid an extra 75p per day for my electric which I only used on 4 days..Full use of all the faciities were available but apart from using the on site shop, we never bothered.
peedee
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so what is the issue your trying to push here? You're happy as you found a site to suit you. Keep using it and others like it as much as you wish. We're happy as we use club sites? what is the problem?
Why do you want the club to change?
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