Electricity meters
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Although if we go away in the van we pollute while towing, whilst on site we hardly use the car. In summer there is no significant heating to consider and as water is limited only a small amount used for water heating. In the winter our van uses much less energy to heat than if we had stayed at home. So overall I would be surprised if we are significantly more polluting than when we stay at home, even when the towing miles are taken into account.
It might be different though for longer trips to the south of France, for instance.
The same will be true for those who fly off to warmer climates in winter. Although their flight might be polluting, they may not be using a car, except to get to and from the airport and their home heating will only be on frost setting. Again I suppose it depends on how far you fly and what class, ram them in economy or more roomy club class.
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Airbus A380 is more fuel-efficient than a Toyota Prius.
Maybe so.........but they make the wings near me and I believe that Airbus have slashed the production of the 380...........
Can't be that good a concept if no one wants one....
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(thanks PeeDee for warming us all up with a spicy hardy, polarising annual.....)
Happy to oblige BB, I thought the forum was getting a bit dull.
Cornersteady the site is Bank Farm on the Gower and I am getting a pitch discount courtesy of the C&CC. A family of 5 next to me is also paying the same pitch fee,nothing ectra for children but no doubt using more water and electric than me, the later of which they will have to pay for.
DK, perhaps you don't recall my attempt at showing how pitch costs might change with the researched costs of fitting meters. I do not have access to it right now but when I do, I will be happy to re-publish it.
peedee
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Quite possibly that may have a little bit to do with it, I think there are other reasons as well around infrastructure at airports etc.....
But several of my neighbours and friends work at the factory, where they also make the smaller planes, and I gather from them that airlines are choosing them as the market is for more frequent holidays of shorter journeys with less passengers......
Sounds like more pollution to me......
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Don't forget the pollution caused in the manufacture of our cars/caravans/motorhomes. We add to pollution just by buying them. I suspect the energy we use on site is but a spot in the ocean compared to driving, manufacturing and the ultimate disposal of our units.
Let's not kid ourselves - in our hobby we pollute and there's no getting away from that fact.
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It is all rather pointless, this playing with figures per passenger mile. As I am fairly unlikely to drive anywhere 8000 miles away. Overall the jet will be using 200 gallon per person to get a person on holiday. As compared to my average of 18 or so for two. That is also probably for 6 weeks, rather than 10/12 days. However, a holiday is a holiday and mine burns less than a long haul one. So is clearly less polluting.😀
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I was working on a 500 mile towing outward journey(s), as against the 8000 mile one way long haul flight. This is about our average in this country. So would be about 1500 overall including the return and any running about solo, during the 6 weeks. So about 47 gallons max per holiday.
It is of couse an average, if we went to the far north of Scotland or Provence, as we do occasionally, it would be more. However, often our tours in this country are less. We are fortunate in that we live in North Nottinghamshire, so fairly central in England at least.
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according to you that is, perhaps you could post some evidence?
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indeed. As you say the rise of the low cost airlines have made shorter trips cheaper and therefore more people go on them
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again I agree with you.
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I have no idea about pre flight calculations , when I flew the erks did the refuelling we just signed the 700 form.
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But is that actually correct?
I have no idea!
I feel we are modest polluters, no long haul trips, in fact since 2000 we have only flown once, from Edinburgh to Oslo, return.
Yes, annual trips abroad, with caravan, no idea how we count that.
If you would like to work it out, I can provide details!
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quite, i (like DD and others) never suggested i was 'green', what i said was that the club could be doing more if it significantly reduced its overall bill, which is very easy for it to do.
i also dont like to see resources wasted.....eg lights and heaters left on, food left on plates etc, and i recyle (repair/reuse) as much of my kit as i can at home.....
the fact that i ride a bike to 'shop', and to generally get about, in lieu of a car, makes me feel better in more ways than one, but for those who always have a car on site and use it for the 'paper/milk run' probably wouldnt get any of them
.....im not specifically 'green' just careful with resources...
i thought this discussion is about metered electric, which can easily be acheived of desired, not 'green' nirvanah which cant.
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never suggested i was 'green', what i said was that the club could be doing more if it significantly reduced its overall bill, which is very easy for it to do
not quite BB, you actually said:
the club should be doing what it can to fulfil its obligations on reducing its carbon footprint?
and in another post:
i think the club should reduce its footprint and offer a non-ehu option
Both quite 'green' statements IMHO
What obligations btw?
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DK, perhaps you don't recall my attempt at showing how pitch costs might change with the researched costs of fitting meters. I do not have access to it right now but when I do, I will be happy to re-publish it.
peedee
Am I right in thinking that you thought pitches prices would reduce as a consequence of metering electricity? I may have pointed out at the time that if the Club were to go down the route of having metered electricity it would very much depend how they wanted to recover the capital costs. We can't assume they would just take those costs on the nose and just reduce pitch fees, by say, an average of the cost of electric usage. If they followed the lead of providing site WiFi, more than likely to my mind, you would end up paying more for the pitch plus the electricity used. The only people likely to benefit is the small minority that are happy not to use site electrics.
I have not yet seen a convincing argument in favour and I somehow doubt the majority of members would either.
David
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It's very interesting to compare the situation to temporary visitors to yacht marinas.
The most common model for short term stays (a few days) is a fixed price for EHU, typically around £5/night. However increasingly marinas are installing card-based metered systems; this soon reveals that most yachts actually spend around £1.50 / night on electricity.
The noticeable difference compared to caravan sites is that whether or not you choose to take EHU is nearly always optional.
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Yes, I would agree with DD and BB, you can care for the environment, and be relatively green without being a fanatical tree hugger.
We recycle, we try not to waste food or energy, we have a reasonably well insulated home, and we do not make unnecessary car journeys to local shops, we walk whenever possible.
Having to pay for what you use does concentrate the mind, it is not stressful to not waste electricity, even on holiday, it is a way of life that we will all need to get used to.
At home, we have gradually changed all our lights to LED lamps, we are gradually replacing old appliances with more efficient ones, and we do look at what we are using of electricity and gas.
IMO, the approach needs to be both carrot and stick......we fitted solar PV as we get a good return on our investment (carrot) and we fitted LED lamps as electricity prices are increasing (stick).
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I also like to reuse what I can.
At Ikea, they put out bits of veneered boards that come from damaged goods, dismantled displays etc, these are free for people to take home.
In the last 6 months I have built some 8 plinth pods (drawers in boxes that fit behind kitchen plinths) for DD using only free, recycled, chipboard from Ikea, and fitted 3 new drawers below our new oven using same free stuff. I still have a fair bit left that will be used for extra cupboard shelves.
We did of course have to purchase drawer runners, but still saved about £150 in total, and saved Ikea having to send the chipboard to the tip.
Win-win all round. I rarely throw anything away, most stuff can be reused by us, or given to someone who will appreciate it.
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Yes you are correct, pitch prices should reduce but obviously not by the full amount currently added to cover the cost of electricty. The Club would obvious have to recover the capital cost over the lifetime of the meters.
My view is the Club should be discouraging the excessive use of electricity, the current policy does quite the opposite. It encourages the investment in electrical appliances rather than in self sufficiency which in turn drives up pitch costs as more and more electricity is consumed.
peedee
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I did't say I signed blind, and definitely 700 btw , but after a thorough check to say the plane has been worked on and you signed to accept the aircraft is clear for flight. Each RAF aircraft had one detailing all work done on it. This was late 70s and early 80s but I am sure they are still used?
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