Pricing
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I kept a record of sites and costs for 2016. What I can definitely say is the CC sites worked out the most expensive at £22.80 p.n. while commercial sites worked out at £20.51p.n. with 40 pecent of these nights being in peak season. CC&C costs worked out
at £20.72 per night. I did include subscription costs in the above figures when arriving at a cost per night.If I remove the nights spent on Continental sites from the commercial site night costs, it works out at only £14 p.n. making Club sites by far the most expensive I used.
It will be intersting to see what the cost of the same UK nights would be at 2017 prices.
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"I don't think it can carry on indefinitely charging a premium price for a minimal product"
I find it difficult to understand that comment. Can anyone give a specific example to back it up? (I take premium price to mean significantly more per night than any site in a nearby area.)people post these things M but never back it up till real facts
I can give you facts chapter and verse but you will just dismiss them because it includes prices in Europe which of course is a different world and not to be considered.
Just on the aspect of "minimal product" irrespective of whether you want to use extra facilities or not how much more minimal can a caravan site be than just providing the clubs basic services i.e. water drain EHU and a shower and still
qualify as a camp site?. To me its enough but should be priced accordingly and that would be no more that £12 -£15 maximumHowever, on a CC site the showers are hot, as is the pot washing and the electricity is rated at 16 amps.
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"I don't think it can carry on indefinitely charging a premium price for a minimal product"
I find it difficult to understand that comment. Can anyone give a specific example to back it up? (I take premium price to mean significantly more per night than any site in a nearby area.)people post these things M but never back it up till real facts
I can give you facts chapter and verse but you will just dismiss them because it includes prices in Europe which of course is a different world and not to be considered.
Just on the aspect of "minimal product" irrespective of whether you want to use extra facilities or not how much more minimal can a caravan site be than just providing the clubs basic services i.e. water drain EHU and a shower and still
qualify as a camp site?. To me its enough but should be priced accordingly and that would be no more that £12 -£15 maximum...If only uk costs could reflect that,even on a one couple non facility site next year the minimum rate per hour for the couple will be £15 +ni contributions + all the other costs for the site
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"I don't think it can carry on indefinitely charging a premium price for a minimal product"
I find it difficult to understand that comment. Can anyone give a specific example to back it up? (I take premium price to mean significantly more per night than any site in a nearby area.)people post these things M but never back it up till real facts
I can give you facts chapter and verse but you will just dismiss them because it includes prices in Europe which of course is a different world and not to be considered.
Just on the aspect of "minimal product" irrespective of whether you want to use extra facilities or not how much more minimal can a caravan site be than just providing the clubs basic services i.e. water drain EHU and a shower and still
qualify as a camp site?. To me its enough but should be priced accordingly and that would be no more that £12 -£15 maximumWell leaving European sites aside (because, surely even over there there is a vast range of prices for different sites) I explained what I took to mean as "premium price" David. And I still see no evidence of CC charging such a "premium price" on a like
for like basis with most commercial sites, (although I do accept that many commercial sites work out cheaper if you stay for any length of time and take up special offers). Whereas on page 12 of this thread I gave a specific example of what I consider to be
a "premium price" - £480 for a week at the end of July. CC prices come nowhere near that!
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"I don't think it can carry on indefinitely charging a premium price for a minimal product"
I find it difficult to understand that comment. Can anyone give a specific example to back it up? (I take premium price to mean significantly more per night than any site in a nearby area.)people post these things M but never back it up till real facts
....but in a posters 'experience', if the club provides fewer facilities and charges more than the sites they use, then
surely this statement is true...in their experience....
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no idea....i was just trying to be 'imaginative' and make the figures Steve gave go a bit further for both the club and its customers....
sometimes, businesses have to think outside the box a bit, rather than the same old....
as mentioned earlier, we are a lucky generation and dont baulk too much at prices, we can also choose to vote with our wheels if we like...
the club is looking to attract new younger blood and some of these families might not be able to be so carefree about prices as perhaps we (you and i) are...
i dont have a particular gripe myself but i am aware that rising costs will be a key factor in our hobby continuing for generations to come.....or not...
we could just do my other option...
"whereas 50 vans at £12 (using your figures) nets £350."
but would another 25 members have been attracted to the site for a £4 cost saving....??
All I can say is that would not influence my decision to go away....
However BB you have brightened my morning, hammering away at your keyboard the same message that club sites are overpriced, whilst....err....on a club site.....
but the saving per week would be £28, which might sway some folk....obviously not you, but if thats so, my comments wouldnt be aimed at......
you obviously didnt read them very carefully as i said i didnt have a personal gripe about prices, merely that there were always (IMHO justifiable) posts (obviously not from you....) about ever rising prices and that i was concerned that new, younger vanners
(obviously not you..) might find club prices a step too far and that our hobby might not remain as popular with future generations.glad to have been of service...
FYI, i used Broadway as it was convenient for.....Broadway
strolling to the Tower shortly.....
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"I don't think it can carry on indefinitely charging a premium price for a minimal product"
I find it difficult to understand that comment. Can anyone give a specific example to back it up? (I take premium price to mean significantly more per night than any site in a nearby area.)people post these things M but never back it up till real facts
I can give you facts chapter and verse but you will just dismiss them because it includes prices in Europe which of course is a different world and not to be considered.
Just on the aspect of "minimal product" irrespective of whether you want to use extra facilities or not how much more minimal can a caravan site be than just providing the clubs basic services i.e. water drain EHU and a shower and still
qualify as a camp site?. To me its enough but should be priced accordingly and that would be no more that £12 -£15 maximumHowever, on a CC site the showers are hot, as is the pot washing and the electricity is rated at 16 amps.
Nothing wrong with the quality of those minimalk facilities at all Steve
Not done the figures for my experiences regarding price per night! As I choose prior to visiting, the more expensive commercials are dismissed instantly unless they meet our needs regarding location. Overall my guess is that the CC are competitive and even
if, and I stress if, they are a couple of pounds more then that would equate to buying ten nights Aand getting one free using some of the figures quoted in previous posts. Even if this is true, it would be worth considering but in no way a reason for me to
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and that our hobby might not remain as popular with future generations.
glad to have been of service...
FYI, i used Broadway as it was convenient for.....Broadway
strolling to the Tower shortly.....
W Thanks BB, I also love the Broadway site and have stayed there several times (can't remember what I paid though
). You have
landed lucky with the weather, enjoy your walk......I wouldn't worry too much about "future generations" I very strongly suspect/expect that in a free market the price of all sites including club sites will vary to reflect the spending power of people at the time....
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"I don't think it can carry on indefinitely charging a premium price for a minimal product"
I find it difficult to understand that comment. Can anyone give a specific example to back it up? (I take premium price to mean significantly more per night than any site in a nearby area.)people post these things M but never back it up till real facts
....but in a posters 'experience', if the club provides fewer facilities and charges more than the sites they use, then
surely this statement is true...in their experience....Depends what one thinks to be a minimal product. On a CC facility site we all know what to expect. From my viewpoint these are not a minimal product. Good clean, warm washrooms etc. Easy to use fill and empty points (for caravanners at least), well kept
site, decent electricity and for my experience mostly decent wifi which because of our time on CC sites I consider to be well priced.I have used commercial sites and to be honest I have not generally found them cheaper than CC sites at the times I travel. Those that have been significantly cheaper have had poorer facilities. Of the others some have had far superior washroom facilities
and some less well provided than CC sites.So if the CC is a 'minimal product' at a 'premium' price what additional facilities that I might want are any of the commercials offereing for a similar price. That is something that I cannot fathom.
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"I don't think it can carry on indefinitely charging a premium price for a minimal product"
I find it difficult to understand that comment. Can anyone give a specific example to back it up? (I take premium price to mean significantly more per night than any site in a nearby area.)people post these things M but never back it up till real facts
....but in a posters 'experience', if the club provides fewer facilities and charges more than the sites they use, then surely this statement is true...in their experience....
Depends what one thinks to be a minimal product. On a CC facility site we all know what to expect. From my viewpoint these are not a minimal product. Good clean, warm washrooms etc. Easy to use fill and empty points (for caravanners at least), well kept
site, decent electricity and for my experience mostly decent wifi which because of our time on CC sites I consider to be well priced.I have used commercial sites and to be honest I have not generally found them cheaper than CC sites at the times I travel. Those that have been significantly cheaper have had poorer facilities. Of the others some have had far superior washroom facilities
and some less well provided than CC sites.So if the CC is a 'minimal product' at a 'premium' price what additional facilities that I might want are any of the commercials offereing for a similar price. That is something that I cannot fathom.
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"I don't think it can carry on indefinitely charging a premium price for a minimal product"
I find it difficult to understand that comment. Can anyone give a specific example to back it up? (I take premium price to mean significantly more per night than any site in a nearby area.)people post these things M but never back it up till real facts
....but in a posters 'experience', if the club provides fewer facilities and charges more than the sites they use, then
surely this statement is true...in their experience....Depends what one thinks to be a minimal product. On a CC facility site we all know what to expect. From my viewpoint these are not a minimal product. Good clean, warm washrooms etc. Easy to use fill and empty points (for caravanners at least), well kept
site, decent electricity and for my experience mostly decent wifi which because of our time on CC sites I consider to be well priced.I have used commercial sites and to be honest I have not generally found them cheaper than CC sites at the times I travel. Those that have been significantly cheaper have had poorer facilities. Of the others some have had far superior washroom facilities
and some less well provided than CC sites.So if the CC is a 'minimal product' at a 'premium' price what additional facilities that I might want are any of the commercials offereing for a similar price. That is something that I cannot fathom.
Yes, +1.
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"I don't think it can carry on indefinitely charging a premium price for a minimal product"
I find it difficult to understand that comment. Can anyone give a specific example to back it up? (I take premium price to mean significantly more per night than any site in a nearby area.)people post these things M but never back it up till real facts
....but in a posters 'experience', if the club provides fewer facilities and charges more than the sites they use, then surely this statement is true...in their experience....
Depends what one thinks to be a minimal product. On a CC facility site we all know what to expect. From my viewpoint these are not a minimal product. Good clean, warm washrooms etc. Easy to use fill and empty points (for caravanners at least), well kept site, decent electricity and for my experience mostly decent wifi which because of our time on CC sites I consider to be well priced.
I have used commercial sites and to be honest I have not generally found them cheaper than CC sites at the times I travel. Those that have been significantly cheaper have had poorer facilities. Of the others some have had far superior washroom facilities and some less well provided than CC sites.
So if the CC is a 'minimal product' at a 'premium' price what additional facilities that I might want are any of the commercials offereing for a similar price. That is something that I cannot fathom.
...Good post Easy, which says it as it is, and what the cc and c&cc are there for,and seems the majority look for as pitch occupancy is rising ,if some want a holiday camps, there are t plenty of premium priced places to go to
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I know what you consider minimal. As I said I don't concider most CC facility sites to be minimal. (Dunnet Bay be considered such I suppose but at £19.60 a night in such a location seems well priced). So I really was looking for an answer to: 'So if
the CC is a 'minimal product' at a 'premium' price what additional facilities that I might want are any of the commercials offereing for a similar price. That is something that I cannot fathom.'0 -
I know what you consider minimal. As I said I don't concider most CC facility sites to be minimal. (Dunnet Bay be considered such I suppose but at £19.60 a night in such a location seems well priced). So I really was looking for an answer to: 'So if the CC is a 'minimal product' at a 'premium' price what additional facilities that I might want are any of the commercials offereing for a similar price. That is something that I cannot fathom.'
Or, an answer to
"what could the CC sites add for them not to be considered minimal and to justifly the premium price tag you seem to think they are currently charging"
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and that our hobby might not remain as popular with future generations.
glad to have been of service...
FYI, i used Broadway as it was convenient for.....Broadway
strolling to the Tower shortly.....
W Thanks BB, I also love the Broadway site and have stayed there several times (can't remember what I paid though
). You have
landed lucky with the weather, enjoy your walk......I wouldn't worry too much about "future generations" I very strongly suspect/expect that in a free market the price of all sites including club sites will vary to reflect the spending power of people at the time....
Spot on Tintent.
From observation of the comments from younger generation campers on the various facebook groups they are perfectly capable of stating their requirements in terms of facilities and pricing structures and are also happy to vote with their wheels.
If the CC wants to attract them they would do better listening to them rather than us. We are already members and they are not. The club needs to understand what would persuade this (larger than assumed on here) group to join
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Clear as mud David in as much as I do not see the similarly priced commercial sites have anything premium to offer me by comparison for similar prices. Certainly none appear to offer such great flexibility. Some are well managed such as Morris Leisure but some are poorly managed
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Just not good enough AD. You said:
CC is a 'minimal product' at a 'premium' price
what extras would justifythe premium price?
And you haven't answered EasyT's question either. What do non CC sites offer that the CC don't, and why are they more expensive?
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I am not sure why anyone would consider paying more for less a problem. It happens all the time. People want to go to out of the way places and are prepared to pay for it, minimal facilities or not. Slightly different in the CC 's case but same principle.
I am quite happy to pay more to have a less busy, less noisy site, but still with very good clean facilities and 16 amp power supply. Yes I know I don't have to use the bars, pools etc but the very fact they are there makes the site a much busier place.0 -
I know what you consider minimal. As I said I don't concider most CC facility sites to be minimal. (Dunnet Bay be considered such I suppose but at £19.60 a night in such a location seems well priced). So I really was looking for an answer to: 'So if
the CC is a 'minimal product' at a 'premium' price what additional facilities that I might want are any of the commercials offereing for a similar price. That is something that I cannot fathom.'Or, an answer to
"what could the CC sites add for them not to be considered minimal and to justifly the premium price tag you seem to think they are currently charging"
You still are not understanding my point, the Club provides very good quality
minimal facilities nobody here as far as I know wants much more but we are talking price and my contention is that they are offering the least they could get away with (and still qualify as caravan sites) for the most the market will stand . Thats
the 3rd and last time I can be bothered to repeat it ....Unless you can explain what either of the clubs "minimum facilities" are compared to other than what most in the Uk users req then the both clubs priceing policy is not "Premium" in the eyes of the ever increasing use of said sites
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I just had a quick attempt at comparing Club prices with one or two commercial equivalents. One thing that is immediately apparent is the commercial sites only have two seasons and as a result can be cheaper than a Club side in shoulder season.
More IDC but it is not what I thought when comparing Morris Leisures' Oxen and Stanmore sites with the one Club site I have looked at.
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I just had a quick attempt at comparing Club prices with one or two commercial equivalents. One thing that is immediately apparent is the commercial sites only have two seasons and as a result can be cheaper than a Club side in shoulder season.
More IDC but it is not what I thought when comparing Morris Leisures' Oxen and Stanmore sites with the one Club site I have looked at.
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this no doubt true but its the actual difference in price in peak that is also interesting. Wile club sites are at most about £30 per night in peak, non club sites can be as high as £40+ per night. Non club sites subsidise non peak by very high prices in
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