Plans for new CC Bristol site rejected
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With diesel cars and motorhome likely to face restrictions on entering city centres in years to come it seems short sighted of this Club to be even thinking of a new site in inner Bristol. The place for a new site is on the outskirts on a good bus or rail
route.Write your comments here...I think that is very sensible, there is enough pollution in city/town centres and congestion with too much traffic, CC should look towards more semi rural/ rural sites, helping the countryside economy, I would guess it would be
cheaper alternative than city centre sitesWrite your comments here...
I think you are completely wrong David, sites on the outskirts of cities and villages are exactly what the Club needs, we already have plenty in the depths of the countryside.I dont know if you have noticed but rural bus and train services are rapidly dissapearing
as the council subsidies dry up. Baltic Wharf is typical of the sort of site that is very,very popular (have you tried to book a pitch there lately ?) We need another just like it. And within walking distance. We have a motorhome and dont like to be marooned
on a country site with no public transport.Write your comments here...ohi see, I'm wrong because u have a motorhome and feel u will be marooned in the country side.... yes that would be awful. .... my god !!!
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9. Protecting Green Belt land
The Government attaches great importance to Green Belts. The fundamental aim of Green Belt policy is to prevent urban sprawl by keeping land permanently open; the essential characteristics
of Green Belts are their openness and their permanence.Once Green Belts have been defined, local planning authorities should plan positively to enhance the beneficial use of the Green Belt, such as looking for opportunities to provide access; to provide opportunities
for outdoor sport and recreation; to retain and enhance landscapes, visual amenity and biodiversity; or to improve damaged and derelict land.When you look at the guidance, the council seem to have failed in keeping the land permanenly open in the past. However, a campsite could redress the balance in the future by providing opportunities for recreation, enhancing the current landscape and even
if done right, enhance biodiversity. Or they could just leave it as it is.Bristol's Local Plan was only adopted in 2011. That is the document that the planners have to follow. My guess is that the area was not classified as green belt previosly.
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It's strange about the flooding risk as there is a single storey nursery school on the adjoining site.
Is it a new school? When did the EA introduce Flood Risk Mapping? Have incidences of flooding increased in recent years?
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Twice in the past month have towed our 43' long rig through Bristol on a Friday evening rush hour from the east using M4/M32. Once to BW, once to Hayfields CL. It really is a doddle. Even easier getting out on a Sunday morning. Will probably be doing it
more often due to a family member health status.Wouldn't contemplate attempting the M4/M5 route on a winters Friday evening, far too much traffic
Tow car is Euro6 compliant
I note you put in your review for BW that the area is known to you and being in the right lane at the right time made it easy. I am very familiar with Bristol and unless you know what lane you require it would be far from a doddle. Particularly with all
the roadworks currently affecting the city centre. On a Friday evening it matters not a lot what route you take they are all extremely busy. Even at other times Bristol is not good, I believe it is one of the worst cities in the country for traffic speeds.
On Monday morning it took me 25 minutes to do 1.5 miles from Baltic Wharf Temple Meads.From the M32 first signs are to Temple Meads, left lane. At Temple Meads , right lane to SS Great Britain, Then the sign to CC Baltic Waharf. What is difficult with that???
My glass is half full
Very difficult to speed in most cities.
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The school bit is history, and long since consigned to the long grass. What is proving to be the death knell of BW is the value of the real estate that it sits on. BCC needs cash, pronto! And that is why BW has a very limited shelf life. BCC need to realise
the value of that site! End of!TF
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From the M32 first signs are to Temple Meads, left lane. At Temple Meads , right lane to SS Great Britain, Then the sign to CC Baltic Waharf. What is difficult with that???
My glass is half full
Very difficult to speed in most cities.
I would advise against the route in from Temple Meads, at busy times at the moment, due to work on the Commercial Road bridge. Hence the 25 mins to TM the other morning. If you are staying at BW it is also causing havoc with the bus times, which were never very good. Oddly during the last week, from the M32 direction it has been quicker through Boadmead and the city centre roadworks, or up past the BRI and down alongside QEH. Both routes using the opposite side of the harbour. It was fine yesterday (Saturday) though. We sailed through.
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Would have thought caravan site was a low priority for Bristol Council. Planning is part of democracy.If not granted there are appeal routes but if planning not granted thats it. CC would have known planning was difficult to achieve and use due diligence prior
to purchsse and would have been factored into price surely.0 -
With diesel cars and motorhome likely to face restrictions on entering city centres in years to come it seems short sighted of this Club to be even thinking of a new site in inner Bristol. The place for a new site is on the outskirts on a good bus or rail
route.Write your comments here...I think that is very sensible, there is enough pollution in city/town centres and congestion with too much traffic, CC should look towards more semi rural/ rural sites, helping the countryside economy, I would guess it would be
cheaper alternative than city centre sitesWrite your comments here...
I think you are completely wrong David, sites on the outskirts of cities and villages are exactly what the Club needs, we already have plenty in the depths of the countryside.I dont know if you have noticed but rural bus and train services are rapidly dissapearing
as the council subsidies dry up. Baltic Wharf is typical of the sort of site that is very,very popular (have you tried to book a pitch there lately ?) We need another just like it. And within walking distance. We have a motorhome and dont like to be marooned
on a country site with no public transport.Ray, totally agree....
not trying to appear like a selfish MHer, but sites like BW give us in the UK a great insight into how the Continentals expect their town/city aires to be.....
within walking distance of the town!....not a 20 min drive in a car.
while, BW may have a shower block, it is, in effect a perfect example of a continental city aire.....some parking places, dump/fill facilities and LOCATION.
when visiting any town/city, its not necessary to have wonderful landscaped sites.....a nice clean dry parking area, dump/fill point and (as its CC) a shower block. Done.
we need more small 'function over form' stopping places from CC, not 'form over function'....a lovely typical CC site, billed as a city location but actually miles from anywhere....
Bath Chew Valley springs to mind.....(i know its an AS but its in the book) trades on the name Bath, but is nowhere near it....
whereas, Bath Marina may not be up to the typical CC model, but its actually within walking distance of the city centre....
again, almost an aire feel to it....minimal landscaping, priority is the location.
guess where Id rather stay.....?
the club needs to do everything it can to not only save what its got, but look to introduce more small, discrete, low infratructure cost sites, close to the larger towns.....
ok, selfish, i know.....but the membership demographic is changing, with more MHers requiring less of the site itself and more of where it is......
So, come on CC......I know you're on the case.......
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I'm sure they are BB, planning applications have to go through so many hoops. It took ages to negotiate Black Knowl, which at least was finally retained. Lets hope a site in Bristol will eventually go ahead even if it can't be Baltic Wharf.
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I don't expect a caravan site in central Oxford or Birmingham, or Manchester or Leeds. Or even Exeter. So what's special anout Bristol needing one? With modern traffic as it is taking touring caravans into city centres is madness. The Bristol city planners sound sensible to me.
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ive just been (very roughly) sketching out our route through France to Spain in January, and at each major town/city stopover, ill have the choice of one/two/three aires in the town/city itself (depending on size), or another half dozen spread around just
outside in each direction.....ive only visited BW once (but may try again on frenzy day.....i can always cancel
) but it struck me as what an
important site it is....as i say, nothing special in its construction, but everything special in its location.when travelling abroad, one gets spoilt in seeing a facility (or two) like this in pretty much every major town, its easy to take convenient stopping for granted....it just makes it so much more important (symbolic?) that we retain
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I don't expect a caravan site in central Oxford or Birmingham, or Manchester or Leeds. Or even Exeter. So what's special anout Bristol needing one? With modern traffic as it is taking touring caravans into city centres is madness. The Bristol city planners
sound sensible to me.C&CC have one within walking distance of Oxford.
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Just off the main ring road, BB
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The school bit is history, and long since consigned to the long grass. What is proving to be the death knell of BW is the value of the real estate that it sits on. BCC needs cash, pronto! And that is why BW has a very limited shelf life. BCC need to realise
the value of that site! End of!TF
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This might be a completely stupid question but would Bristol City Council be prepared to sell to the Club, assuming for the moment that the Club had the where with all to make the purchase? Or is it a case of the Council being set on removing the campsite
and developing the site so that it provides a greater ongoing income in rates etc.David
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Just off the main ring road, BB
yes, stayed there twice....
1.6m to city centre, 30 mins stroll....
coincidently, exactly the same distance BW is from Bristol city centre
compared to very many sites that use (loosly) the name of a local town/city, this one is IN the city
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I don't expect a caravan site in central Oxford or Birmingham, or Manchester or Leeds. Or even Exeter. So what's special anout Bristol needing one? With modern traffic as it is taking touring caravans into city centres is madness. The Bristol city planners sound sensible to me.
C&CC have one within walking distance of Oxford.
There is also one within walking distance of the centre of Cardiff
peedee
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I don't expect a caravan site in central Oxford or Birmingham, or Manchester or Leeds. Or even Exeter. So what's special anout Bristol needing one? With modern traffic as it is taking touring caravans into city centres is madness. The Bristol city planners
sound sensible to me.C&CC have one within walking distance of Oxford.
There is also one within walking distance of the centre of Cardiff
peedee
.... and Ayr
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Did I mention we are booked into BW at the February half term??
Booked
the week after our last stay, that was booked 5 days before arrival. None of this frenzy day nonsensePerhaps, as well as leaving a review, a letter to the Mayor from visitors extolling the virtues would keep it on his radar. Although that relies on overcoming apathy
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I don't expect a caravan site in central Oxford or Birmingham, or Manchester or Leeds. Or even Exeter. So what's special anout Bristol needing one? With modern traffic as it is taking touring caravans into city centres is madness. The Bristol city planners sound sensible to me.
Write your comments here...But Euotraveller, dont you stay at convenient stopping places nr Cities when in Europe ? This is a prime example of such a place in the UK one of very few.And YES, caravanners and motorhomers WANT to stay as close to some city centres as possible, so they can walk to attractions, rather than drive, or look for fast dissapearing public transport.And you can get to Baltic Wharf without driving through the city centre.
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I don't expect a caravan site in central Oxford or Birmingham, or Manchester or Leeds. Or even Exeter. So what's special anout Bristol needing one? With modern traffic as it is taking touring caravans into city centres is madness. The Bristol city planners
sound sensible to me.Write your comments here...Have you ever been to BW ? If so you'll know why folks want it to stay as you could easily spend the week there and although it's central and a pain to drive into once your'e there you wouldn't need the car or even public transport
for the entire week. I think it's great having a sight central to a large city and it's a shame there isn't more of them.0 -
Some sites do exist already, and I know you all love them, but Baltic Wharf is going and so is Crystal Palace too, and with traffic being what it is I can't see any UK city planners giving permission for new sites which bring touring caravans into inner
cities. The trend is towards traffic restriction. But I may be wrong.0 -
Many of the city sites like Edinburgh, York, London etc have provided an excellent base for tourism, just as hotels do. Once there people tend to use public transport or walk on foot. Bristol is no exception, it's on the edge of the city with easy access
to what's on offer in Bristol.0 -
I don't expect a caravan site in central Oxford or Birmingham, or Manchester or Leeds. Or even Exeter. So what's special anout Bristol needing one? With modern traffic as it is taking touring caravans into city centres is madness. The Bristol city planners
sound sensible to me.Write your comments here...Have you ever been to BW ? If so you'll know why folks want it to stay as you could easily spend the week there and although it's central and a pain to drive into once your'e there you wouldn't need the car or even public transport
for the entire week. I think it's great having a sight central to a large city and it's a shame there isn't more of them....this is one of the (many) reasons folk tour abroad...the ready availability of municipal campsites and aires right in tight to town/city amenities.
you will be spoilt for choice.
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Has the club actually brought this piece of land?
i said a while back that they had served. Certificate B on the landowner so my guess is that they have taken out an option which would be the normal way to proceed
newspaper reports say they have bought it but the application form suggests not.
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Normal procedure as you say.If this is unsuccesful no doubt they wll look at alternatives.Storm in a tea cup!!
Except the costs of the option and preparing the application will be significant as well as the application fee itself.
If this was the best of the 59 alternatives there's a considerable sum attached to an abortive exercise.
Hopefully something will turn up in this area
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