Plans for new CC Bristol site rejected
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when we did our walk, Brue, we joined the Avon cycle way a little up the hill from the site (not sure if the path would reach this access point...) and then continued downhill where the cycle way crosses the river by going up and over the Cumberland Basin
bridge....its a bit convoluted, but doable, would probably add around 20 mins to the city trip....eg, the Arnoldini would be 35mins walk, almost 2 miles.
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having done a circular walk from BW and joined Rownham Hill via Burwalls Road, i can testify that, whatever the official speed limit, i wouldn't want to pull a caravan or MH out onto that road..
..this is a very busy (and fast) road.....we took our lives in our hands just crossing the road to get to the walkway down to the Avon cycle way.....no pavements, blind bends.....and drivers on a rat run to and from the city.
Sorry off topic
If you do the walk again BB, a much nicer, but longer, alternative, is to continue up the road from the bridge into Ashton court and then down through the deer park and past the University. This then crosses Clanage Road at a
pedestrian crossing and continues down to the Avon via Festival way. There is a nice cafe at Ashton Court House where one cab pause for coffees or something to eat.thanks Steve, we have also done the Ashton Court walk manu times, our son lives in Clifton......
the other walk we did also took in Cabot Hill and part of the city, so it was still a fair trek.....and, unfortunately, in the rain...
...back to the planning issues......
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From memory there is footpath access to the Avon from Chanage Rd. Possibly alongside Bedminster Cricket ground next door. The main problem is walking to the harbourside, I think this is being improved at the moment but I will check. There is cycle and walking
access up to the Ashton Court Gate but not sure where this starts,All still doable Brue. They just have diversions and temporary ramps in place on the main bridge as you can't use the old railway bridge at the moment, due to works for metro bus. The path goes past the allotments and cricket ground and into Ashton Court
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To be honest I don't think many will tackle the walks from this side, it's too busy and too far for a leisurely stroll. I think there's a bus route through here. It's nothing like the position of the present site, I think quite a few will jump in their cars and head for the Cumberland Rd car parks etc, (Apologies for spelling error with Clanage rd!) It's very good for the Suspension Bridge and a walk to Clifton.
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it is Brue, but too steeply uphill for many to walk it, ill wager....
just goes to show what a great location we are currently blessed with....
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If the new site was at Clanage Road. It would add about 15 minutes to a walk into the centre. As it should have direct access to the Avon valley trail, so cut out a fair chunk of what you have to do at the moment. It is of course on the bus route from Portishead,
which look more frequent than the ones from BW.0 -
With diesel cars and motorhome likely to face restrictions on entering city centres in years to come it seems short sighted of this Club to be even thinking of a new site in inner Bristol. The place for a new site is on the outskirts on a good bus or rail
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With diesel cars and motorhome likely to face restrictions on entering city centres in years to come it seems short sighted of this Club to be even thinking of a new site in inner Bristol. The place for a new site is on the outskirts on a good bus or rail
route.Write your comments here...I think that is very sensible, there is enough pollution in city/town centres and congestion with too much traffic, CC should look towards more semi rural/ rural sites, helping the countryside economy, I would guess it would be
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With diesel cars and motorhome likely to face restrictions on entering city centres in years to come it seems short sighted of this Club to be even thinking of a new site in inner Bristol. The place for a new site is on the outskirts on a good bus or rail
route.Write your comments here...I think that is very sensible, there is enough pollution in city/town centres and congestion with too much traffic, CC should look towards more semi rural/ rural sites, helping the countryside economy, I would guess it would be
cheaper alternative than city centre sitesBristol sprawls extensively to the east but ends very abrubtly to the west along the line of the gorge, high ground of Ashton Court and Dundry. To all intents and purposes the proposed site is on the ouside of Bristol.
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A little research backs up the decision. There have been applications by nearby premises to riase structures
70mm off the ground to keep stock safe from flooding. Also Google Streetviedw shows a narrow and busy road
on a blind bend. Allowing caravans to join and leave the highway at this point would be a recipe for disaster.The line of sight from the bend at the bottom of Rownham hill, to the current southern entrance to the property is approx 140 metres. It may or may not be possible to move this even further from the bend, but in a 30 mph zone, as this is, I can't see it
as being particularly hazardous. The entrance is also not far from the start of a 20 mph zone, for the University, and perhaps this could be extended. As to flooding, if 70mm (2.75 inches) can make a difference, the CC can put more clippings on the hardstandings.Write your comments here...Sorry 700mm
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With diesel cars and motorhome likely to face restrictions on entering city centres in years to come it seems short sighted of this Club to be even thinking of a new site in inner Bristol. The place for a new site is on the outskirts on a good bus or rail
route.Write your comments here...I think that is very sensible, there is enough pollution in city/town centres and congestion with too much traffic, CC should look towards more semi rural/ rural sites, helping the countryside economy, I would guess it would be
cheaper alternative than city centre sitesBristol sprawls extensively to the east but ends very abrubtly to the west along the line of the gorge, high ground of Ashton Court and Dundry. To all intents and purposes the proposed site is on the ouside of Bristol.
Write your comments here...but use the city centre to get to it ?
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A little research backs up the decision. There have been applications by nearby premises to riase structures
70mm off the ground to keep stock safe from flooding. Also Google Streetviedw shows a narrow and busy road
on a blind bend. Allowing caravans to join and leave the highway at this point would be a recipe for disaster.The line of sight from the bend at the bottom of Rownham hill, to the current southern entrance to the property is approx 140 metres. It may or may not be possible to move this even further from the bend, but in a 30 mph zone, as this is, I can't see it
as being particularly hazardous. The entrance is also not far from the start of a 20 mph zone, for the University, and perhaps this could be extended. As to flooding, if 70mm (2.75 inches) can make a difference, the CC can put more clippings on the hardstandings.Write your comments here...Sorry 700mm
I suppose as they would be building a new site from scratch they could make it flood resistant. EHU's on top of metre high bollards as they do at the Killin site. Build the new facility block on a platform 1 metre off the ground and install waste drainage
that does not flow back. Office / wardens accommodation could be similarly constructed. It would seem far better for it to be used for a touring site which could be evacuated and then put back into use quickly, rather than flood proofed housing which would
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With diesel cars and motorhome likely to face restrictions on entering city centres in years to come it seems short sighted of this Club to be even thinking of a new site in inner Bristol. The place for a new site is on the outskirts on a good bus or rail route.
Write your comments here...I think that is very sensible, there is enough pollution in city/town centres and congestion with too much traffic, CC should look towards more semi rural/ rural sites, helping the countryside economy, I would guess it would be cheaper alternative than city centre sites
Bristol sprawls extensively to the east but ends very abrubtly to the west along the line of the gorge, high ground of Ashton Court and Dundry. To all intents and purposes the proposed site is on the ouside of Bristol.
Write your comments here...but use the city centre to get to it ?
Not necessary. Access from the M5 can be either via the existing portway route or the Gordano exit both of which avoid the city centre. From the west use the M4 to get onto M5. I know Bristol reasonably well and unless you know your way the city centre is best avoided, even if it means a bit of a detour. Even if you come up from say Longleat you can use the ring road and avoid a direct route through the centre.
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Twice in the past month have towed our 43' long rig through Bristol on a Friday evening rush hour from the east using M4/M32. Once to BW, once to Hayfields CL. It really is a doddle. Even easier getting out on a Sunday morning. Will probably be doing it
more often due to a family member health status.Wouldn't contemplate attempting the M4/M5 route on a winters Friday evening, far too much traffic
Tow car is Euro6 compliant
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A little research backs up the decision. There have been applications by nearby premises to riase structures
70mm off the ground to keep stock safe from flooding. Also Google Streetviedw shows a narrow and busy road
on a blind bend. Allowing caravans to join and leave the highway at this point would be a recipe for disaster.The line of sight from the bend at the bottom of Rownham hill, to the current southern entrance to the property is approx 140 metres. It may or may not be possible to move this even further from the bend, but in a 30 mph zone, as this is, I can't see it
as being particularly hazardous. The entrance is also not far from the start of a 20 mph zone, for the University, and perhaps this could be extended. As to flooding, if 70mm (2.75 inches) can make a difference, the CC can put more clippings on the hardstandings.Write your comments here...Sorry 700mm
I suppose as they would be building a new site from scratch they could make it flood resistant. EHU's on top of metre high bollards as they do at the Killin site. Build the new facility block on a platform 1 metre off the ground and install waste drainage
that does not flow back. Office / wardens accommodation could be similarly constructed. It would seem far better for it to be used for a touring site which could be evacuated and then put back into use quickly, rather than flood proofed housing which would
be very very expensive.It's in a protected green belt, housing isn't going to happen either.
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Given the number of house the government wants built, I understood it wasn't as protected as it used to be. However,a lot of it is currently covered by a not very attractive structure. So whilst designated green, could almost be brown.
You are confusing Green Field with Green Belt. Two entirely different things.
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Given the number of house the government wants built, I understood it wasn't as protected as it used to be. However,a lot of it is currently covered by a not very attractive structure. So whilst designated green, could almost be brown.
You are confusing Green Field with Green Belt. Two entirely different things.
That may well be the case however, as I said much of it is currently covered by large unattractive structures, plus concrete or tarmac parking areas. So about as far from open fields as you can get. A well designed site would certainly be less obtrusive than what is there at the moment. It is doubtful that the cash strapped police force or Council are going to stump up the funds to return it to nature. So if it is not redeveloped it is just likely to fall into disrepair.
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9. Protecting Green Belt land
The Government attaches great importance to Green Belts. The fundamental aim of Green Belt policy is to prevent urban sprawl by keeping land permanently open; the essential characteristics
of Green Belts are their openness and their permanence.Once Green Belts have been defined, local planning authorities should plan positively to enhance the beneficial use of the Green Belt, such as looking for opportunities to provide access; to provide opportunities
for outdoor sport and recreation; to retain and enhance landscapes, visual amenity and biodiversity; or to improve damaged and derelict land.When you look at the guidance, the council seem to have failed in keeping the land permanenly open in the past. However, a campsite could redress the balance in the future by providing opportunities for recreation, enhancing the current landscape and even
if done right, enhance biodiversity. Or they could just leave it as it is.
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Twice in the past month have towed our 43' long rig through Bristol on a Friday evening rush hour from the east using M4/M32. Once to BW, once to Hayfields CL. It really is a doddle. Even easier getting out on a Sunday morning. Will probably be doing it
more often due to a family member health status.Wouldn't contemplate attempting the M4/M5 route on a winters Friday evening, far too much traffic
Tow car is Euro6 compliant
I note you put in your review for BW that the area is known to you and being in the right lane at the right time made it easy. I am very familiar with Bristol and unless you know what lane you require it would be far from a doddle. Particularly with all
the roadworks currently affecting the city centre. On a Friday evening it matters not a lot what route you take they are all extremely busy. Even at other times Bristol is not good, I believe it is one of the worst cities in the country for traffic speeds.
On Monday morning it took me 25 minutes to do 1.5 miles from Baltic Wharf Temple Meads.0 -
With diesel cars and motorhome likely to face restrictions on entering city centres in years to come it seems short sighted of this Club to be even thinking of a new site in inner Bristol. The place for a new site is on the outskirts on a good bus or rail
route.Write your comments here...I think that is very sensible, there is enough pollution in city/town centres and congestion with too much traffic, CC should look towards more semi rural/ rural sites, helping the countryside economy, I would guess it would be
cheaper alternative than city centre sitesWrite your comments here...
I think you are completely wrong David, sites on the outskirts of cities and villages are exactly what the Club needs, we already have plenty in the depths of the countryside.I dont know if you have noticed but rural bus and train services are rapidly dissapearing
as the council subsidies dry up. Baltic Wharf is typical of the sort of site that is very,very popular (have you tried to book a pitch there lately ?) We need another just like it. And within walking distance. We have a motorhome and dont like to be marooned
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Well I've now read the committee report and skimmed a few documents and what strikes me is that substantial objections were raised at the pre application stage which were not addressed in the application.
It has been a while since I've seen a set of consultation responses so overwhelmingly negative and on such clear policy grounds.
I wouldn't like to take this to appeal I'm glad I'm not the agent
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We have been totally stuck in Bristol many times, apart from the present roadworks there are so many events when the roads get closed or a football match is taking place. Events up on the Downs, on the Portway and Ashton Court, you name it we've had to sit in a queue or find a route out.
Anyway I did a recce today and the possible site mentioned is very easy to reach from the M5 Gordano junction, access ok on the other routes too. There is a footpath alongside the site to the Avon walk way. The roadside footpath outside the site is very narrow. Nearly opposite the site is walking access to the Ashton Court Estate. There is also a pedestrian tunnel near the Clanage Rd junction, taking you under the nearby major approach roads. The proposed site is well screened too.That's about it! I would really love to know where the other 59 possible sites are, but hope something can be found.
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I've said it before........there isn't a developer in the country that would simply sit back and accept this sort of planning decision.
CC.......if you don't have the ability or the will amongst your multitude of highly paid staff to sort this out, then get a good consultant to do it for you. It's really not an insurmountable problem.
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That must be a blow - seeing as the CC has apparently bought the site.
Not a good result
A BLOW? Serious incompetence if they (we) had bought it. No decent business would buy land without investigating the likeliehood of planning approval for its intended use. It's not as though it's mere design detail that can be changed by an architects mouse. E.g. things like layout, number of pitches, road access, siting of buildings, hedges, lighting etc., but a fundamental unsuitability of the plot due to flood risk. Surely it can't be true that they (we) have bought a piece of (apparently) worthless land?
Ah, of course, flood risk, so at least 250 new starter homes would be approved. P'raps *we* could buy it and then sell it for a fortune and all have free membership for the next ten years.?
Edited JayEss, thanks for the clarification.
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Mmmmm.......Savills again. The same company that put at least three popular CC sites forward for housing developments earlier this year.
Given that the CC (after being 'found out') issued a statement along the lines of "we didn't ask them to do this" and the fact that they have failed in the application at Bristol.....could it be that they are using tbe wrong agents?
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