Bins on site.
While more and more camping sites are changing to the large wheelie bins and recycle bins and siting them well away from their pitches, The CC seem to want to stick to having the rubbish bins dotted about their sites adjacent to water points next to pitches.
Will the CC be changing their policy on where the bins are situated, the reason I am asking is that overflowing small bins, which happens sometimes, attracts vermin.
K
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They already have, we are staying in White Water C&M Club Site. The site is lovely and the wardens couldn’t be more friendly. We came back the other day to find the bins area closed off near us, I’m told others dotted around the site are too. All of us now have to walk down to the site entrance to dispose of not only rubbish but also recycling. My wife asked and was told it’s to reduce the env footprint with less plastic bags. I hate it when organisations and individuals hide behind the env banner, when we all know it’s reducing costs. Don’t use plastic bags in refuse bins just let us put our small bags in the bins. Come on please, C&MClub don’t treat all your members like simple folk, don’t forget we pay the membership. Without us, you don’t exist. I didn’t see any pole to ask our opinion, did anyone else? Some sites are big, I’m relatively young, but what about the older members having to walk sometimes some distance? Or, we all stop our car at the exit and cause others to wait while we toddle off to the bins. Very poor customer service, I think.
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We are currently at Hurn Lane. There are large red dumpster bins here, but they are beside the water taps, so they are convenient. I find them rather heavy to open, especially with my hands full!
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Colin
Did you realise that you have resurrected a 10 year old thread? It makes Kennine (long disappeared as a poster) some sort of visionary!
This policy has been on some sites for a while now and clearly is being extended to all sites. Surely having waste bins in one place is no more inconvenient than needing to visit reception or the toilet block which could be equally far from some pitches? Many of the bins have actually been sited by toilet blocks. Many familiar with touring abroad will say this system has been in place for the last 30 years so its not unusual and many commercial sites in the UK do the same. Having small bins around the site can be an inefficient way of collection rubbish and recycling as they need frequent emptying. Any saving in cost all goes to keep pitch prices from increasing. BTW I am in my late seventies, walk with a stick, but have no problem getting to the central point. I often found a problem with the small bins as often some members had no idea of what recycling was and also people dropping wine bottles into bins at unsociable hours so there are pros and cons of both systems?
David
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Alan
I think the Club have suggested that there is a massive saving by not using so many plastic bin liners under the old system. There will also be an environmental saving with not using so much plastic. I think sometimes the Club are their own worst enemy by not explaining things in more detail as there must be other benefits (to the Club) beyond plastic bags?
David
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Saves time taken by warden to go round collecting rubbish, On some sites might even save buying / operating / maintaining a mini tractor and trailer too. Allows provision of a bigger range of recycling facilities at a central point. Puts the midnight bottle crashing well away from the pitches. Altogether more sensible
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This is an altogether peculiar thread🤔 Look at the date of the first opening post, actually predates the first big re organisation of CT back in 2016, not only that, but the poster hasn’t been seen on here for a good number of years! Yet it states that there have only been six replies, and all date from the last two weeks.
There is a current thread running somewhere about big bins on sites.🤷♀️
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In addition to what Peedee has written I think if someone tries to start a thread where the title of their new thread is the same as an existing thread its automatically added to the old thread. Given that it is the replies to threads that provide the answers to questions it is surprising that the interesting parts of the old threads have been deleted. I suspect what happened was that it was an attempt at tidying up the forum after a few years by deleting old replies but really someone needed to go back an delete the original posts and I don't quite understand why that has not happened?
David
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I have read the other posts but which one do you reply to?. There’s a lot of assumptions or speculations from members as to the reason for the changes but I see nothing coming directly form the club,unless I’ve missed something. I’ve been on three sites this year so far with both the old and new system of recycling in place And on the site we’re on now the new system comes into play on the 1st of July. As David has said in a different thread on the same subject,recycling this way has taken place on European sites for many years. If it’s a financial reason for change then what are the savings and what impact will that have on site/Membership fees.None I suspect.
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Alan
I have just had a look at the last four magazines and the only mention I can see of recycling are changes in Wales where rubbish has to be sorted into categories on site and in England where the Club are linking up with Biffa but no mention in the four magazines I looked at of the centralised disposal points. We can't be dreaming as it is a reality on many sites now!!! Perhaps someone else has seen a reference to it, maybe hidden away in a thread on a different subject?
David
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David
i couldn’t find mention of any changes myself and thought I must have missed something. It’s the law now in wales that businesses have to recycle more items separately. I wandered if someone from the club could explain the reasoning behind the changes. You’d think they would keep members informed of any changes via the magazine,website or social media.
Alan
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Most of the CAMC sites we have stopped on this tour have utilised the centralised bin system. Personally I think it is a good idea. The old bin locations have all sported posters explaining it is to cut out the vast number of plastic bags the club uses for this purpose in a year. The club is in its third year of working with the Green Tourism Accreditation Scheme. Last year three of the sites were awarded gold, the rest silver. I assume the bin changes are a small part of trying to get more sites in the gold category.
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the idea is fine, so long as you are tall enough to reach the bins and strong enough to lift the lids and able enough to walk to the bins as some are a fair distance. When you visit a site that has taken all this into concideration then the idea is fine.
BTW the only site that i have visited where they have a couple of small dustbins at the side of the large bins is Malvern.
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What I fail to understand is how blatantly obvious the reasons for introducing centralised bin stores are to some but for others it remains a total mystery or at worst just an inconvenience. Aren’t we all responsible for improving the situation regarding the dire overuse and misuse of plastics etc. and recycling waste. Every bit helps and I support the club in their many efforts to address the Green Agenda.
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Aaaaaand they’re off
. No one said it was a good or bad idea. I just wandered what the thinking behind it was and if they had informed their members about it?. I’ve already seen members driving to the bins and back,not that the Green Tourism will be made aware of this.1 -
You will always get those few who couldn’t give a phut and just do as they please, you’ll never stop them! We shouldn’t let them dictate what we do likewise we do need to help those who genuinely find it difficult to lift lids etc.. In my book we are optimists and positive folk despite the few who couldn’t care less and do everything to upset.
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I just wandered what the thinking behind it was and if they had informed their members about it?. I’ve already seen members driving to the bins and back,
The thinking is spelt out on the posters on sites where they are using the system, to cut down on the use of plastic bags. I’ve no idea whether it has been mentioned in the magazine as I rarely look at it. I can’t see why anyone would need to drive to the bins and back. Just deposit your rubbish when driving or walking out of the site, or when visiting the facilities when the centralised location is there.
The other club has been using this system since we joined in 2019 and just about every site I have used in France. It’s no big deal there and I don’t really see why it should be made into one here.
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And as posted in another thread if one cannot use the bins as they are then ask the wardens (or a fellow camper - I would certainly help, indeed have done so), I think the answer when asked is to leave the bags by the bins or the wardens would actually collect from your pitch?
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It would be useful to find the other thread where explanations have been given and this has been thrashed through. Anyone know where it is? I’ve searched to no avail.
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and if they had informed their members about it?
I'm not sure why this is thought really necessary? If I join a club I don't think about how it is run and why bins were of one type on day and another the next, I just use them as they are.
Likewise, go anywhere for leisure and one uses the bins as they are. If that means a longer trip to get rid of rubbish then that's it.
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It wasn't in one of these TW?
I haven't checked through either as I have little interest in the subject being of a similar mind to Corners.
peedee
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No, the one I’m thinking of was very recent, PD, and I seem to recall a post from Rowena.🤷🏻♂️
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I think this is the recent thread about bins🤔
Personally, I cannot see what all the fuss is about, other than that the Club has identified where a significant saving might be made, (bin liners are very expensive) and visitors having to develop a coping strategy for what are likely to be a small (but still valued) section of the overall numbers coming on site. Burrs CP had a big central area of bins just by the entrance, but also had numerous ordinary bins in the same area to help those who couldn’t lift lids, etc…. Probably the ideal scenario, and I appreciate maybe not replicated everywhere, but the sites as a whole are a lot nicer without the tractor run, the bin lids clashing, the crash of late night wine bottles every 100 metres IMO.
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It might be worth reposting what Jolly Kernow (site warden) posted about a year ago for some context in terms of costs:-
Evening
So central bin points then. For clarity that was never introduced during covid, back then it was all about social distancing not encouraging people to gather.
We don't use plastic dustbins.
Willingcott site is a 150 pitch site with 5 service points (I've worked there before and helped build the new bin point this year). During a normal summer season, emptying the bins twice daily will use approx. 90 bags which in todays terms would cost around £70 per week.
It's another of many trials to see how having a central point goes on sites and so far 4 months on it has been very well received.
I will be adopting it next year.
JK
Looked through both discussions and JK's post is the closest to any official confirmation that I have found and all he is pointing out is the costs on a single site. I might be dreaming this but I thought someone had mentioned this subject came up at one of the regional meetings and that was where the network wide costs were mentioned?
David
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You could well be right, WN, as I’ve seen lots of comments about bins in site reviews or maybe it cropped up in a thread on a slightly different topic. 🤷🏻♂️
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Well done! That's the thread. I think you and WN have clarified things as the explanation I remember from Rowena was almost definitely in a site review. Now, if only I could remember which site…😂
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I only found it as I knew I had posted on it, so just trawled back thru my own posts. 😁
JK’s explanation above seems to give the financial side of things, I know from my own work experience just how costly decent black bin liners are. Then there’s the time spent rumbling round site on tractor in man hours, fuel etc….
Personally, I’m up for anything within reason that keeps site costs down. There was a notice on the inside of most of the loos at Burrs explaining the reasons. The things you read at times,🤣 If it was me looking at costs, centralising bins would be only one of a raft of savings ideas. But most Members couldn’t live with my ideas🤭
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