Bins on site.
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I recall that it was a lady who posted the review saying that she is not very tall and has trouble lifting the lid. That sounds like me but it wasn't! I have never, not been able to manage it at all. If I did, I would simply ask someone to assist me. It is a slight inconvenience to have to walk to the entrance to the site with rubbish or recycling, but hardly worth the hoo hah about it!
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This topic seems to stem from the cost of supplying black bin bags. I have yet to see a club member with hands full of rubbish to place in a bin. Most of us if not all use a black bin bag to take our rubbish to the bin.
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Very true, plastic bags placed within plastic bags, plastic is costly and an eco problem everywhere. We try to reuse these where possible tipping the contents in the bins. A little effort I know but possible and can be used several times. I’ve been known to rinse them out too shaking them dry. When they first appeared many years ago my gran did exactly this and then dried them on the line outside not that I suggest that this should necessarily happen today mind. Surely even a small effort can help.
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We have invested in 2 folding bins, a fair bit larger than the silly little one on the door of the van, one for recycling and one for general waste. They are only emptied either when full or when leaving a site. If a very short stay then we use a smaller bag.
The waste one we use a pedal bin liner in. The recycling one we put all the paper, card, washed plastics and washed tins directly into, glass we usually keep separate. When full we take the contents, plus any glass, in a bag to the recycling point, and this bag becomes our next general waste bin liner.
Like Hja, we never have enough waste to fill a black bag. If we only have a few items to recycle, we just carry them un-bagged.
We have noticed, on Club sites, when the smaller bins were provided, that many campers took no notice of the recycling instructions, presumably wardens were left to sort out that problem. I wonder if campers are taking better note now that the large centralised bins are being used?
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With the Club you often never know the full details as to why things change. No doubt the cost of bin liners is one reason, and yes smaller bins on sites would need them otherwise they would stink! However there are probably numerous reasons why the Club have changed to central rubbish collections. Had the Club articulated the reasons more fully we might not be having this conversation?
I agree with Kj on his observation that many took no notice of the recycling instructions on the bins. Goodness knows what they do at home.
David
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Service Points
We have just returned from our second trip this year to Wharfedale Club Site and would record that this is a very well kept site and the wardens are exceptionally good and helpful. However the experience was ruined half way through by the introduction of the new rules about the Service Points. The Club have now introduced a central rubbish collection point as opposed to having bins at each of the Service Points. Apparently this is because of concern at the amount of black bin bags being used. They have also stopped the wardens using their tractors to maintain the service Points. I believe this is being done to reduce the carbon footprint of the Club.
I object strongly to this situation.
First of all there has not been any member consultation on this change. The central collection point for rubbish is anything but central. It is positioned at the front entrance to the site. Wharfedale is not the largest site in the network however from the furthest pitch to the front entrance the round trip is approximately half a mile. Previously most members would have several trips a day to the Service Points to deposit rubbish however they are not now doing this and are restricting their trips to the central collection point to once a day. They are using many more plastic bags than previously and I witnessed several members using their cars to visit the central collection point. We are in our seventies as are many members and do not want to walk half a mile to deposit our rubbish. We are meant to be on holiday not forced into carrying rubbish long distances. It will not be long before members are leaving bags of rubbish outside their vans, awaiting their visit to the central collection point which will lead to attracting vermin and birds etc. How can any of this be environmentally friendly or reducing the carbon footprint? The ridiculous positioning of this, so called, "central collection point", not in the centre of the site but at the front entrance, means long walks for members and also is a very ugly welcome on arrival at the site. It is the first thing one sees - an ugly bin store.
On the matter of the wardens not being allowed to use the small tractors to maintain the existing service points we now have the situation where the wardens are using a wheel barrow to visit the service points. to properly maintain these points they require brushes, shovels, chemicals and hoses etc. in a wheel barrow? it is just not working and I think these areas are not as clean as they always have been.
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I would take the rubbish as I go out and dump it then, but those who never go out might like a trolley cart.
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I fear, BP, that you are not making your voice heard in the right place. If you have strong objections to the arrangements, you need to address them directly to CAMC rather than posting on the discussion forum which is not always monitored by staff at higher management level.
With regard to member consultation, you, as a member, delegate such decisions to the elected Council members as set out in the terms of the club's governance. It’s much like electing your local authority councillor in that you won't be personally consulted about a change to council services as the councillors will make those decisions on your behalf.
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I agree with TW. You wouldnt expect to be consulted on every decision that is made by your local council, so why expect to be consulted on this just because you don't agree with it?
My understanding is that this is a trial. We've stayed on a number of sites with this system, and have had no problem. Just chuck your rubbish in to the back of the car when you go out.
If nothing else, fewer tractors chugging around the place has to be welcome. We just need to get wardens to stop using leaf blowers now!
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BP you need to contact the sites team at head office re your views, agree with TW this forum not the correct place to air your issues.
As to leaf blowers a lot more sites will be using battery operated ones which are a lot quieter and again paths and certain areas need to be kept clear and safe so site folk do not slip on the wet leaves.
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I guess one main reason for the recent introduction of central rubbish bins and stores is to do with The Green Tourism Awards which the club has wholeheartedly launched itself into. The current recycling and waste system fits very with the mission statements behind this worthy cause.
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Previously most members would have several trips a day to the Service Points to deposit rubbish
Really, certainly not these members. Once a day is fine, and if by the entrance generally when going out. Personally I think it is a fuss about nothing. The other club has had this system since we joined in 2019.
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Yes…. why several trips a day??! Even at home we only fill the inside pedal bin about once a week, same with our recycling bags, and to fill a wheelie bin can take us 6 weeks, we often skip at least one collection.
We are used to the “ central bins”, which are indeed often by the entrance, but usually screened, we have used them on commercial sites, CCC sites and abroad. Like others, we usually drop off our rubbish when going out for the day.
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I don't mind the walk to the bins, he it once or more times a day, as I drop our rubbish off when taking the dog for a walk, and it also adds 10,000+ steps a day!!
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I am somewhat amazed about the amount of rubbish collected by members for this to be a real problem? We used to hang a bag on the bike rack (previously attached to the rear grab handle when we had a caravan) When the bag was full I would wander off to the waste point. Those of us who have travelled in Europe, where central waste collection has been in place for 30 odd years, will find this discussion a bit peculiar?
David
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What has amazed me over the years is having seen microwaves, a TV, broken BBQs and camp chairs ‘deposited’ at service points. Even saw a leisure battery once and several boots and shoes! Why don’t people take the likes home and dispose of them correctly they could be dangerous.
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Are there many customers who cannot take their rubbish to the appropriate bin once a day?
There will always be some people who cannot lift the bin lid (I am small so find it a bit of a push to lift the lid of the large bin lid), however I always manage. A better option than numerous plastic bags used around any site.
Even before the introduction of the big bins, some people seem to be unable to put the rubbish into the appropriate bin. A number of customers just want to get rid of their rubbish into the closet bin on hand. Recycling? No just get rid of the rubbish.
How do we get people to do a very simple thing, it’s not rocket science, but it seems to be beyond the capability of some folk.
Let’s just hope that the majority of people, recycle their rubbish in the appropriate bin.
of the bin location on a site. How do we stop people just dumping their rubbish in the
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I really can't see any connection between a preference for using SPs and use or non use of facilities and not wanting to walk to a central bin? Do such preferences mean you have less rubbish somehow? Either a central bin or not one still has to get rubbish disposed of?
Again there is no automatic connection with not being actually able to walk for a medical reason or disability and driving and/or using club sites and really not on to suggest otherwise in my view.
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Some years ago a very professionally, and every expensive looking converted towed horse box pitched next us. At first I was perplex and somewhat mystified as to how it classified as acceptable. The passenger in the car was a paraplegic and required hoists to go between car, wheelchair and the ‘living quarters’. Talking with the couple they told us that prior to an accident they had been avid caravaners and this setup provided that enjoyment they had previously enjoyed. The driver, who was also somewhat limited in mobility said they enjoyed doing everything to maintain their independence and actually relished the challenges. I totally understood this and was in admiration. We passed daily pleasantries with them whilst on site. The other thing that amazed me was their sense of humour and ability to laugh frequently. If they could find ways to manage their rubbish then everyone else can.
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Club Sites have generally become much easier to use, in lots of different ways, and have enabled those who might be less physically able to continue for longer, without a good deal of the fetching and carrying, particularly of water. Most Sites are very easy to use without much effort if you need or prefer it this way, nothing wrong with that. Changes like centralised bins just need visitors to think a bit more about how to deal with rubbish.
We only have a small door mounted bin in our MH, takes a carrier bag sized liner. We seldom need to empty it more than every couple of days, so mention of taking rubbish a few times a day baffles me🤷♀️ Tasks like this, and fetching water, taking waste water we consider as easy daily exercise while away, and rather than shying away, we share the load to get our step count up. Appreciate that some folks cannot though.😁0 -
Changes like centralised bins just need visitors to think a bit more about how to deal with rubbish,
My take is, Changes like centralised bins just need site managers to think a bit more about how visitors of all abilities can deal with rubbish, just put some thought into it.
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We do like serviced pitches, our ideal pitch is a serviced one on a CL with hardstandings and no facilities. So much easier to use our on board facilities, especially in poor weather, and the CL will be far less expensive than a Club site.
On the very rare occasions that we have used a Club site in the last few years, we have used an ordinary HS and requested either a pitch close to the facilities so OH can use the disabled room if she wishes, or more often one close to the service point, as she mostly prefers to use our own facilities, and I am happy to fetch and empty water for her. These days is usually just me that uses the site facilities.
Rubbish removal was always OH’s responsibility, but she now has knee problems that make walking somewhat painful, so central bins at the entrance are working well for us.
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Mobility issues were certainly one of the reasons for us giving up touring. Hopefully we are in a position where those problems can be corrected but knew in the meantime that we would get little use of the van. I am sure there are many with disabilities for whom getting away to a campsite is therapy in itself so I can't blame people for wanting to go on as long as they can. However I think this issue with centralised bins is very much a Club "bubble" thing. It would seem that many who complain probably have little experience, if any, of sites outside the Club otherwise they would have come across the concept elsewhere. The Club, whilst unlikely to change it's mind on this should listen to the concerns. Perhaps it would be better to have these bins next to the toilet blocks as surely everyone will probably visit on a regular basis during their stay?
David
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I would think one reason to have them near the gate is to make it easier and safer for them to be emptied when the bin lorry comes. It would be a bad idea for the lorry to need to drive round the site, and these big bins would too heavy and unwieldy for wardens to move any distance.
The original compounds where the bin bags were taken to were usually near the gate.
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Next to the entrance or thereabouts is the ideal place. Everyone comes in and out even if only when leaving at the end of your stay - although surely not many stay on site for the whole of their visit if several days. Easy for bin lorries to manoeuvre. Having heard about some of the pretty poor behaviour of kids around the toilet blocks I think lorries as well would be a recipe for disaster. Personally we very rarely use the toilet blocks, we have our own facilities so why would we? We havent met these on a CAMC yet. The only site we have stayed at this year has been New England Bay and the bins were near the service points. However we are used to the concept e.g. at CCC sites. We just stop the van at a convenient place when leaving the site, get out and ditch the rubbish.
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It is all about saving costs obviously. Trying to reduce the Wardens hours and hoping they do more free hours. This is coupled with the site fees going up. No doubt the next suggestion would be asking for member volunteers to clean the toilet blocks so the Wardens hours can be reduced. I really do not know if I am joking or not.
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I don’t believe this is entirely true. Yes, making the sites more efficient and cost effective is vitally important but I also believe that there is an element of being environmentally aware and that need to be mindful of the impact and legacy our footprints leave for the net generation. Cover both and it’s a win, win. Of course thos cynics and deniers amongst us will argue otherwise.
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Well how about for an extra supplement, or built in to the SP price with the designation SP&R, wardens will come round once a day to your pitch to collect your rubbish? A nice little earner for the club?
There's a poster here on site saying why there central bins and how many millions of plastic bags are being saved, to me that counts more than any monetary savings.
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I don't disagree with you, having bins near the entrance to the site is the most sensible option. What I was saying is that if people have a genuine difficulty with getting to the bins, without going by car, the Club need to take this into account. It would be perfectly reasonable for the Club to conclude that the new arrangements are the best of several options. However we have been told that it is a trial so what usually happens is that evidence is gathered and decisions made based on that evidence?
David
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