Site speed limits
On all sites the speed limit is 5 mph. I have seen people doing nearer to 30mph and many somewhere in between. I suggest that the club put up speed radar signs similar to many I see entering tows and villages.
These cost less than £1000. The club could buy a few and rotate around the site network. 1 month on a site then move to the next. From my observation very few are doing 5 mph and a display will educate a good few members and possibly save the life or serious injury of a child or dog. Yes most if not all sites have speed bumps, and they do slow people down. But few of us would welcome more speed bumps on site, and they also cost money. A visible reminder I'm sure would help slow people down.
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Speeding on site is down to culture and the increasing number of arrogant, macho and unintelligent drivers both on and off site. I fear the CMC will do little to reduce the problem. Wardens have enough to do already and it’s down to us members to point out the risk to the offenders. There are also a number of “anti children” members who forget what it was like to run and play and who lack the intelligence to assess the risk of children running out in front of them from between units. A few years ago, here in Italy, a 9 year old boy ran across a site road as I was walking towards it. A car, going over the 10km/hr speed limit ran over the boys ankle with its rear wheels, crushing the ankle joint. The driver was adamant he was not speeding but everyone knew he was. It spoilt the driver’s holiday for a few hours, it spoilt the boys life forever!
I urge you all, when entering and driving on site, to spend a few seconds assessing the risks before you drive around. We’re all anxious to get pitched and enjoy our holiday but all that can change in just a few milliseconds. Unfortunately those who have any intelligence whatsoever will comply.
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So, "few of us would welcome more speed bumps on site, and they also cost money". A speed bump on an average 2.5 meter wide site road would cost around £100 to install. Interesting you'd be happy for the club to spend £1000 on a digital sign that would in my opinion achieve little. There are already speed cameras that are shared around the network and the results of their use is supplied to the necessary depts.
I dispute the 30mph quotes.
JK
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I lost wifi!
Just to add, IF I perceived someone driving on site at the sort of speed mentioned, we'd be having a friendly conversation but, there wouldn't be a second time. The majority of "speeders" are probably around 10 mph which warrants a chat. There's not that many.
JK
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I beg to differ on both points. Yes I have seen a person doing nearer to 30mph rather than 10 mph. This person was in a car, and yes I did have a polite word and suggested that if he thought he was doing 5mph as he claimed he should go take some more driving lessons. I would suggest anecdotally that the speed of many is above 10 mph but this is where a visual reminder would educate rather than penalise all by installing more speed bumps.
I was almost run down by a speeding car and caravan on a club site last year while walking along in plain sight of the driver who erroneously thought roads were for vehicles and pedestrians should get out of the way. He even thought he would reinforce his view by threatening me with a hammer. But I digress. 😁
I do feel that most do you think they are going slowly and close to 5 mph, and this is where a visual reminder would help reinforce and reduce speed generally on site. Speed bumps are annoying, but you can't place them every 50 yards, which would be the only way to enforce a realistic slow speed on site. So adding at least 10 speed bumps may have the desired effect, but I would argue that a visual reminder would have the same effect a little more comfortably.
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We’ll never know re the 30mph allegation but I’d accept the view of an experienced serving site warden on the best way to deal with the speeding situation.
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We have a speed bump outside reception here, it's there to make people aware that there could be a concentration of pedestrians coming and going in that area. We also regularly update our traffic management risk assessment which identifies many things including potential speeding places. Awareness measures are put in place in the form of signage and road markings. While I appreciate that a flashy sign costing a thousand pounds might make people look for a day or two, experience says that people very quickly become sign blind if there's too many. I spend 80% of my time out on site and engage with a lot of folk. I obviously can't see everything but if Lewis Hamilton is staying with us I'll soon know about it and I'll act accordingly.
There's a mention of being threatened with a hammer, that is a serious allegation not to let go. Was this a club site and were the staff involved? We really don't need members anywhere that have the mindset that it's acceptable to threaten violence.
JK
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We were in Norfolk this past 2 weeks & came back only yesterday(glorious weather bar one day of rain)
Whilst there we popped into Holkam Hall a couple of times for a walk & coffee , I can confirm Lewis Hamilton is staying on their pop up temporary site , driving a large Motorhome at quite a speed.
I can personally confirm the estate speed limit was very possibly smashed .
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Regarding the hammer incident, yes it was a club site. It was reported and action was taken by both the club and police. So no worries there. I only mentioned it as it was an example of speeding and a clear lack of knowledge by the driver. Pedestrians and dogs have priority on all site roads.
I agree that wardens do regularly speak to budding Louis Hamilton's and I'm in no doubt it has some effect, but as you say you don't see everyone and only the worst offenders will be reported to you. Yes I'm sure flashing signs will be ignored in time, but if that is the case then surely all other signs will suffer the same fate. Most sites have numerous signs both on the side of the road and painted on the road, but they only seem to have a limited effect. A flashing sign does have a positive effect. It can be temporary and moved to different parts of the site. It will also give true data on the speed people are going and be educational to drivers. I'm sure most do not speed intentionally and are decent law abiding citizens. All they need is a visual prompt and they will slow down, without the uncomfortable bumping over numerous speed bumps.😁
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A decent digital speed reader that's solar powered and not a cheap Chinese one is quite a bit more than you quoted earlier, like 3 times as much. Aren't pitch fees high enough already? If I had £3k to spend on my site it certainly wouldn't be a speed camera. If the club thought it was that big an issue as you make it is then I'd go for speed bumps every 10 meters, job done. Might be uncomfortable but speed bumps do the job, they reduce speed and they last for years.
Visual prompts don't work unless it's a camera where you get points on your license. There's a speed reader in a village close to here with a 30mph limit, The collected data per week saw an average 80% of vehicles going 40mph. They've removed and sold it.
JK
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I suppose the issue will only be a big issue when a person is hurt or god forbid is killed. As you admit signs and spaced out speed bumps haven't worked, so why not try another approach. Yes speed bumps every 10 yards would work a treat, but at what cost to the club and outfits?
Most deterrents work for a limited time, so a few weeks on site then move to another site. The club could trial it with one unit on one or two sites and see how effective they were. So not a major initial outlay. I agree nothing is going to stop the determined and inconsiderate from ignoring all warnings but most speeders do it without thinking I'm sure and all they need is a gentle reminder. As much as you would wish you won't be around to have a gentle whisper in their shell like, so why not try another approach? Or should we just accept speeding as a fact if life and just ignore it ? In that case, can we have footpaths please? I wonder how much they will cost? 😂🤐
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I don’t think I would be happy having a flashing light going on and off next to my pitch.🤔
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One thing I know for sure and that’s the fact that the issue won’t be resolved by thrashing it to bits on this forum.
Have you contacted the club directly with your suggestion, Eyebrows? It’s the way to go, in fact, the only way to go 👍🏻
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Many folk say their car cannot do 5mph. Well, maybe they shouldn't be driving, because they are supposed to be in charge of the car, not the other way around. I have this argument every day, all day on club sites with men and women, young and old. Many verbally abuse you if you pull them up on it, some physically threaten you. One particularly charming man even threatened my five-year-old Son because my Son had asked him to slow down. Meh! I have even been overtaken while doing 5mph on a club site.
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I've emailed our H&S dept. for a definitive answer to your suggestion eyebrowsb.
JK
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I think, to a great extent, the elephant in the room is being missed. And that is, and I am guessing here, is that the average stay on a club site is probably only 7 days so any sign of whatever type, shouldn't, in that short time, cause sign blindness. The inference of that is that drivers must be deliberately exceeding the speed limit, not that they didn't know what it was, providing there is signage of some sort.
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With out doubt this is a problem , not helped by the club,and site managers in many instances, ignoring these drivers ,and the issue
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I stick the car in second gear, and let it tick over ,which the sat nav says is 6 mph, and a number of times i have had caravan, and motor home drivers easily catch me up at speed on sites ,and look annoyed because I was holding them up
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The only speed control measures that I have seen that are effective for all users are those where some physical obstruction stops the progress of a speeding vehicle. There are a number of places where the approach of a vehicle above the set speed changes the traffic lights to red.
Since we don't have traffic lights around sites what could be an effective approach would be barriers that drop in front of speeding vehicles. Not the flimsy plastic barriers as seen at site entrances but something more substantial thay would survive drivers not being able to stop in time. Would also inflict some damage to the errant vehicles, which would probably be more of a convincer than anything else.
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What would the cost be to the club to install your speeding deterrent, does it even exist?. I can just see the insurance claim "I was driving on a CAMC club site road when all of a sudden barrier dropped out of the sky causing damage to my car"
I really do hope that this was a light hearted suggestion.
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Morning
I mentioned upthread that the easiest and cheapest option would be more speed bumps. The even cheaper and safer option would be for people to have respect and use their common sense.
JK
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Interesting you say that. I stay on a fair number of Club sites and either I don't take any notice or perhaps its not the problem that some people seem to think but speeding drivers very rarely on my radar. OK you are aware of the occasional vehicle going faster than they should but I don't recall that being something that happens every five minutes. Perhaps I am too engrossed in what I am doing to notice?
David
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The cheek of it!!
