Motorised/ Ride-on Leisure Equipment
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Your GKs are supervised and taught where it’s safe to use them, Rocky, and your post illustrates well the very reasons CAMC are right to ban their use on sites👍
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I have and it clearly states that cars and caravan outfits are not blameless.
As for being off topic it was stated to show that other activities which can be more dangerous ir antisocial seem to be tolerated on site IMO
I am clearly swimming against the tide of opinion on here but my views will remain the same 🏊♂️🙃👍
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Let me help by reminding you of your earlier post as you seem to have missed it. I’m still keen to understand how you know only 3500kg MHs are the culprits.
“The most dangerous situation I have seen of late is the dash for a pitch in 3500kg vehicles at York not kids on scooters, and no I didn't take their number and report to the site management.”
I’ll add the obvious point that you won’t have seen kids on scooters as their use is banned.
Swimming against the tide? I suspect you knew that when you started the thread 😄
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Sorry but I don't understand why you have a problem with the 3500kg ? Maybe I could have simply said MH's ? Would that have been less offensive?
I never expected unanimous support for my views however I really did hope for a modicum of empathy for the kids of today who although they have all the "advantages " of modern technology do no have the freedom that we enjoyed
I'll keep swimming 🏊♀️ 😀
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I don’t have a problem, Wedgy, other than trying to understand your obscure reference to 3500kg when you have no idea what weight MHs were involved. Not only was it a red herring but a very strange thing to post.
However, back on topic - I’m sure we all have empathy with the children wanting to play but the majority of us can see beyond that by thinking through the possible consequences of the use of such motorised 'toys' on site. Therefore, it’s absolutely clear to most of us that CAMC have applied common sense and made the right decision.👍🏻
I’ll now leave you to sink or swim.😄
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It won’t happen Wedgy. Not on Club Sites. Scooters are seen as high risk by most providing services where general public are around. Dedicated skate/scooter parks, or off road tracks, under supervision is your answer. Unless I am mistaken, it’s illegal to even take one folded up on some public transport.
We have dash cam footage of a teen who pulled onto a dual carriageway in front of us last week. He was weaving from lane to lane, ignored all the traffic lights, continuing round a big busy roundabout, last seen cutting across us, and into a pedestrianised area. My guess he was hitting around 25-30 miles per hour at some points. His destiny I fear is to be a statistic, and family telling the world what a lovely lad he was.
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We witnessed one numpty travelling south down the M6 motorway on the hard shoulder whilst fiddling about with his mobile phone. This was between the M6 and M56 interchange and the turn off for Knutsford, so goodness knows where he joined it.
As Ttda alluded to, he's probably got flowers wrapped around a lamppost as a memorial nowadays.
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Maybe concessions can be made for people with walking difficulties having witnessed a guy on a French campsite with a smaller camper van, couldn’t carry his mobility scooter and he had adapted his E scooter to carry his elbow crutches and he had a shopping basket on the front, he had a seat on it and he could get to the toilet block, swimming pool and to off site shops and he still had his independence and could enjoy his holidays.
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I never expected unanimous support for my views however I really did hope for a modicum of empathy for the kids of today who although they have all the "advantages " of modern technology do no have the freedom that we enjoyed
Well apart from the fact that 'we' didn't have an e-scooters in the first place with our freedom back then I can't see how banning one particular 'toy' on site means they will not have the freedom that we enjoyed, and one toy that is banned from public roads anyway, (isn't a bike better?) so no I can't see any erosion in their freedoms.
Secondly what about a modicum of empathy for the other site users and their safety? From personal experience and having spent my working life with them is that children, even the most super intelligent, are not 'wise', they can be foolish and make mistakes, easily distracted, and they also they think themselves impervious to dangers and indestructible. Nothing too much wrong with that, it's all part of growing up but given a toy that can achieve speeds of 15 mph on a densely populated campsite full of all ages and sizes it's a possible recipe for a serious injury and/or collision and an unnecessary risk. Safety comes first over personal freedoms.
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Our young neighbours, relatively new to caravanning, have 2 boys, 8 and 10. They have bought them both electric scooters. Outside their house the boys ride the scooters sensibly, albeit without any protective clothing. But once round the corner, out of mum and dad's sight, they let rip often letting one of their mates jump on with them. An accident waiting to happen given the number of delivery vans which turn up to our other neighbours (whose daughter runs a business from home). Heaven knows what would happen to the boys let loose on the restricted areas of a caravan site with (understandably?) minimal supervision from mum and dad.
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The trend of this discussion suggests that only children ride electric scooters and e bikes.
Our experience is that it is that group who are so keen to ban children (the OAP’s) who are the biggest users and pests riding them to office, shop (if there is one), toilet block, usually along walkways as these are the quickest routes and visiting friends round the site.
While we are at it why not ban car parking outside toilet blocks where members are too lazy to walk from their outfit.? We should be thankful that parents are bringing their children to Club sites - they are the future.
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Toby, why do you think OAPs want to ban children? Only one poster has suggested that and he wrote in jest (I hope). I think you’re on the wrong track there as we seem to be in favour of preventing children having accidents and harming themselves and others.
As you will have seen if you’ve read the whole thread, the ban on the likes of motorised scooters applies to all age groups and not just youngsters.
Rule 13 if anyone wants to check it out.
https://www.caravanclub.co.uk/uk-holidays/uk-sites/club-campsites/club-site-rules/
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Toby, read my post earlier in this thread.
JK
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Tinwheeler
having read all the threads it appears that the overwhelming respondents are pensioners who assume children are the biggest users of scooters. From our observations this is not true. Many respondants have, in other posts, admitted that they generally use CL’s so are probably not writing about actual experiences, but from hearsay.
Banning anything sends the wrong signals about inclusivity - the club should work with scooter owners and devise save ways for their use, by everyone.
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Not so, Toby. It’s been made clear the ban applies to all ages but what people want to assume can’t be helped.
Just how of you think the club can work with scooter owners of any and all ages? Should they employ extra site staff to supervise and instruct them and thus push site fees even higher? With respect, your suggestion is not realistic and I fear you need to understand the legal liability of allowing these scooters on site.
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Why do you think young drivers face high insurance premiums or refusal of cover? It's because the Insurers have statistical data that prove young drivers generally speaking have more accidents and are considered risk takers due to various factors, not least peer pressure.
Teenagers below motor vehicle driving age but nearing it have the same tendencies when riding bikes or e-scooters, at least those that I have witnessed do. And younger children do not have full road sense until their early teenage years. Primary school children on.club sites only tend to have 2 speeds, whether on foot or wheels, and that is fast or stop.
Safety issues and threads often pop up on fora with child safety a particular concern usually due to speeding adults. There has unfortunately been fatalities already of people, young and old, losing control of e-scooters so adding them into the mix on club sites is, imo, reckless.
I am not anti children having fun and have occasionally suggested that club sites are sterile places for children and the club does need to be more imaginative of both children's needs and young adults.
Keeping e-scooters off club sites is imo being child friendly, that is considering their safety before others in this instance.
Personally it makes no difference to me as a) I don't stay on club sites very often and b)I don't have children to worry about.
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Some interesting statistics here, updated to last September.
Totally agree with your post WN. The Club will have risk assessed the decision and come to an intelligent deduction.
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+1, WN.
I’ve felt I was banging my head against a brick wall so it’s good to learn the inside story and backed up by TDA’s link as well.
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+1 to TDA and to WN.
Young children behave exactly like that.
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