Motorised/ Ride-on Leisure Equipment

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  • EmilysDad
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    edited July 2023 #32

    what's good for the goose ..... 🙄

  • Cornersteady
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    edited July 2023 #33

    Ebikes are allowed on public roads but you have to be at least 14 so if the club follows the law then if younger than that they won't be allowed?

    And they can be ridden without the motor working quite well I've found at least on a level road.

  • davetommo
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    edited July 2023 #34

    That’s correct they still have a motor so are motorised. You don’t need to have the motor switched on. I often have my motor switched off and only switch it on when going up hill.

  • Cornersteady
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    edited July 2023 #35

    I would say not, it's all about the permissions given by the owner of the land in this case the CCC.

     

  • Cornersteady
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    edited July 2023 #36

    It's all about the law regarding what is classed as an ebikes, they are classed as pedal assist so not 'motorised' under the law.

    This is useful: https://www.bikeradar.com/advice/buyers-guides/electric-bike-laws/

    And yes same for me.

  • davetommo
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    edited July 2023 #37

    So where do you stop. Do they get permission to drive their tractors over 5mph

  • Cornersteady
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    edited July 2023 #38

    I've no idea about what happens on a CCC site about this, or even on a club site but I assume it's written down somewhere? Like most other organisations there will be rules for working staff and rules for other users. 

  • nelliethehooker
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    edited July 2023 #39

    I have no idea, as I didn't enquire of the staff if visitors were permitted to use them, but perhaps it would be rather hypocritical if members were stopped and staff allowed. I just took it that the question was where were sites where there were in use, hence my response.

  • EmilysDad
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    edited July 2023 #40

    so you're saying that the land owner can say that one group can use them but another can't. And my comment was re the other club's staff using one

  • davetommo
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    edited July 2023 #41

    So what assists the pedals. 

  • JollyKernow
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    edited July 2023 #42

     I understand the c&cc escort people to a pitch, some via a bicycle and now some vie an e scooter. On our sites to keep things even we (staff) are not allowed to use e scooter things the same as anyone else. But then we don't do the escorting thing as we all know.

    Just for information, our site ride on machinery are governed to 8mph. Still get people trying to overtake in their cars around site. I enjoy the conversations with those driverssurprised

    JK

     

  • Cornersteady
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    edited July 2023 #43

    I would say it isn't. The owner or those running the business can set what rules they like and to who they apply too. I don't have any issues with that. But if staff are allowed that's fine, it's the rules applying to campers that is applicable. And we don't know if campers are allowed, which is what this thread is about.

     

    Off topic now.

  • davetommo
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    edited July 2023 #44

    Hope you are not doing 8 mph. Some people are stupid fancy trying to overtake the warden on his tractor. It is as bad as trying to overtake a police car that is doing the speed limit. 

  • Cornersteady
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    edited July 2023 #45

    Yes. In my view the owner or those running the business can set what rules they like and to who they apply too. Why not? Club wardens can exceed 5 mph.

    But it's irrelevant, follow the set rules that are set, which are often different for staff and customers.

    But this thread is about what those staying on sites as 'customers' and are the rules correct. Yes they are.

  • LLM
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    edited July 2023 #46

    However, it is permissable to have an ebike fitted with a boost button or throttle provided it cuts drive at 15.5 mph.

  • davetommo
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    edited July 2023 #47

    Does  that mean that wardens are better drivers than the rest of us being that they are allowed to go over 5mph. Plus who told you that  they can exceed the 5mph limit. 

  • Cornersteady
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    edited July 2023 #48

    Of course you can. Each follows the rules applicable to them. Never seen a staff only notice?

    Club site users keep to 5mph, wardens tractors  8mph, case proved. Now I'll be sticking to the topic.

  • Cornersteady
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    edited July 2023 #49

    Read upthread Dave where you answered to JK. No idea about driving skills. Getting off topic so I'll leave it there.

  • wedgy
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    edited July 2023 #50

    The most dangerous situation I have seen of late is the dash for a pitch in 3500kg vehicles at York not kids on scooters, and no I didn't take their number and report to the site management.

  • davetommo
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    edited July 2023 #51

    The bit I read from JK was that the site  tractors are governed to 8 mph not that they are allowed to drive them at 8 Mph. I don’t know if it is still the case but about 15 years ago I complained to the then caravan club about the wardens at Brighton going at what I considered to be more than 5mph and was told they are restricted to the same speeds as the rest of us. Maybe JK can tell is if that has changed.

  • davetommo
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    edited July 2023 #52

    Yes I said to him hope you are not doing 8 mph. So which bit of it are you thinking of

  • Cornersteady
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    edited July 2023 #53

    Fair enough Dave 

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited July 2023 #54

    Not 4250kg or 2850kg or cars with caravans but 3500kg vehicles which must have been MHs? Did you check their weight plates, Wedgy, or are you elaborating just a tiny bit?😀

  • Cornersteady
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    edited July 2023 #55

    Blimey can't win with you undecided

     

  • wedgy
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    edited July 2023 #56

    I can only relate to what I have genuinely seen. Solo cars and car and caravan outfits do exceed the limit but the high proportion are MH's probably because it is easy for a single vehicle to do so? I am not in any way anti MH's but it is a fact that a large proportion are relatively new to our hobby and this may lead to the excessive speeds I have witnessed. 

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited July 2023 #57

    But only those of 3500kg 😂😂😂😂

    Anyway, they have nothing at all to do with CAMC banning the likes of escooters so let’s not detract any further from your topic.

  • wedgy
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    edited July 2023 #58

    only those of 3500kg

    That's not what I have just said.

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited July 2023 #59

    Re-read your earlier post, Wedgy.

  • flatcoat
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    edited July 2023 #60

    Of course you can - would you expect the club to allow anyone to drive around the site with a small tractor for fun? In this litigious age the club are leaving themselves open to legal action when an accident involving an escooter happens. You can be damned sure it won’t be the rogue Childs fault, or the child’s parent for abdicating responsibility. There is plenty for children to do to entertain themselves and as others have said, if use of an escooter is so fundamental to their holiday, then find a suitable site. My guess is the large commercial sites also ban their use by guests. I have seen children on adult size e-bikes in my local park causing mayhem when losing control. How would you feel if it was your caravan damaged by an out of control escooter rider? 

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited July 2023 #61

    If you get yourself on YouTube on one of the many ‘Dash Cam’ Channels you will see the damage & carnage they cause. My 2 G/children have them, they use them off road at mine but never on road or around crowds or cars. That is lunacy. They are great fun but are fast & poweful. I’ve been pulled sat in a 4 wheeled barrow by my G/Son on his scooter.