Motorised/ Ride-on Leisure Equipment
I see that our family friendly club has banned the use of the above " in line with government policy" BUT government policy decrees they are allowed on private land 🤔
I now step back and get ready for the response.
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If by that you mean electric scooters my impression is that, generally speaking, they are a complete nuisance, ridden inconsideratly by many users and I can't really see any justification for their use on the rather restricted areas of caravan sites whether banned or not.
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Yes, with the owners permission. So Club following Govt policy. Given that, according to the PCC in Kent there are no approved roadworthy scooters and virtually no owners of scooters have proper insurance, good. The PCC in Kent has asked the Kent police force to cease and destroy all motorised scooters.
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So, Wedgy, are you in favour of Escooters/skate boards being used on sites? Your post suggests you believe CAMC to be wrong to ban their use.🤷🏻♂️
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If this is about e-scooters then yes, fully support it, and I'm not sure what family friendly has to do with it? It's about safety for all.
Again, as with so any things on club sites if one doesn't feel this (or any rule) rule is not for them then find a site where it's allowed.
If anyone does find one please post the details to help?
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I don’t have a problem with the Club banning them from Club Sites, be it an E bike, an electric scooter or a Segway. In the hands of children, ie younger than 16, and with parents who might not be adequately supervising them, or haven’t let them have any kind of safety and road usage awareness, then they can be lethal. A responsible parent will buy one, and then take the child somewhere safe, under constant supervision, such as on off road track. Even then, it needs to be a model legal for a child to own and use. A Club Site is not that environment.
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Currently on the C&CC site at Cambridge and I noticed that one of the site staff escorts units to their pitch using an electric scooter
Not enquired what the general rule is as I have no intention of buying an electric scooter, more likely to do myself serious injury than others.David
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I'd rather have a safety attitude.👍🏻
I see nothing "family friendly" is allowing children, teens and adults to race around sites on motorised scooters and the like. And race around they would, for sure.
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Their use in towns is bad enough when paths are shared between pedestrians and E scooters. Bristol is a case in point, an accident waiting to happen, they come up quietly behind you at quite high speed. My son tells me where he has used them abroad, the speed is automatically cut when they enter certain areas and in some places the motor cut entirely. That doesn’t seem to happen in Bristol and is unlikely to be the case on a CAMC site. Yes totally in favour of a ban.
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It seems to me the club is alienating young families with kids and activly encourage the dog owning fraternity. Who do they think will take the place of us miserable old fogies when we expire. If people don't like to see children around there are plenty of adults only sites. As a child of the 50's we could play out around home without any fear but nowadays that's not possible so when kids arrive at a camp site it gives them a sence of the freedom that we could enjoy. Not all children are as dangerous as some of the reckless speeding drivers on site or as antisocial as the dog owners who allow fido on a banned extending lead to defecate on any piece of grass available with the excuse they will pick up after.
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You could argue bikes should also be banned , they are ridden equally dangerously as motorised devices by children. Why just ban motorised devices? That said, having been on sites where E-scooters were popular and are used, dangerously, mostly by teenagers as well as adults, I couldn't agree more about banning them.
peedee
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The Club is children friendly. What it can’t control is how well some parents supervise their children, and consider the implications of allowing them to use dangerous equipment around others. So it decides to not allow certain equipment via a risk assessment. It happens in all sorts of leisure environments Wedgy, not just Club Sites.
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Wedgy, it's nothing to do with not wanting to see children around or about dogs. It is obviously, first and foremost, about safety and I think CAMC is being proactively family friendly by protecting all site users from accidents by banning the use of these items. Stop and think about legal liability even if you don’t consider H&S to be relevant.
"us miserable old fogies" - you speak for yourself 😂😂
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It only takes one child to be at worst reckless or at best not paying attention/distracted and a bad accident could happen. These e-scooters move under their own power and the momentum of their weight and the riders could cause a lot of injuries and/or damage. Young children and teenagers should not be allowed on them as they lack the control needed in a fairly densely populated area with pedestrians and cars about.
We haven't had a thread about speeding cars for a while, I've noticed a marked reduction in speed on site so I assume the measures brought in the club appear to be working, but if it happens report the car reg to the wardens, as for dogs you are really over exaggerating there.
I see plenty of children on sites all having fun and I don't think banning e-scooters in any way will alienate families.
But have you found any campsites that will allow them?
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There could be an argument there for sure, but there is a big difference with bikes. Firstly stop pedalling and the bike stops soon enough, it will only go as fast as the rider's legs can push it and this is usually about well less than 10mph but of course it should be kept to the speed limit.
With an e-scooter, assuming it's a legal one, the max speed is 15.5 mph, all totally unaided and in my experience of children, I can't see any child will keep it to a slow speed, more likely to max it?
But yes I support the ban.
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Regarding eScooters it's really very simple. The law states that they can only be used on private land with the express permission of the land owner.
If CAMC is able to give permission and does so then it could be held equally liable for death or injury or damage caused by the rider of an eScooter.
Possibly if the site is only leased by CAMC then it may not be able to grant permission.
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That does include everybody dave. We had 2 incidents last year just on my site, one involving children and one adults and that's the only time in my club career when I've shouted at someone (too late). That second one also really tested my first aid skills which thankfully I won't have to repeat (didn't touch the claret for days
). Dangerous kit which have no place on any campsite.JK
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Can’t speak for others, but we have public liability insurance when out on our E bikes. And unlike a child, have passed a driving test that demands a degree of road safety, road signage and general awareness of being in traffic, around other people.
I am switching to a brand new to me bike this month, a road E bike, rather than a mountain ebike set up. It’s a totally different experience, different position, different gears, different computer set up. What I am not doing is just going out on public roads without getting some practise and familiarisation in. Safer for me, safer for others.
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I have seen them used by sites "wardens/managers" on C&CC site when escorting incoming units to their allocated pitch.
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Yes it's been mentioned but that's the staff who may have permission, but the question is are campers allowed?
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Some of them aren't trustworthy in a car on a club site never mind one of these.
