Springwatch 2023

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Brilliant news, Springwatch returns in a brand new venue! Should be good!

https://www.bbc.com/mediacentre/2023/springwatch-returns-rspb-arne-dorset

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  • RedKite
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    edited May 2023 #2

     Thanks mickysf  and looking forward to the series as I have been to RSPB Arne many times.

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  • Fisherman
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    edited May 2023 #4

    Should be good for the wildlife. All those caravans, noisy generators, artificial lights day and night. Already some animal casualties, run over by the gas guzling 4  x 4's.All that so some so called celebrities can read an auto cue as if though  it was proper live. Most of the filming already canned. But there you go most people learn about nature from these sanitised TV programmes.

  • brue
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    edited May 2023 #5

    Hopefully the rspb will keep everything under strict control, especially the extra visitors it might attract. 

  • RedKite
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    edited May 2023 #6

    @Fisherman. Its raining here as well this morning.

     

  • mickysf
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    edited May 2023 #7

    Many argue it should be toned down and sanitised as if often shows images of the likes of predators on prey and the unsavoury aspects of human influence on wildlife. It reports the good, the bad and the ugly. Some who believe it shows them and their so called ‘country’ ways in a bad light will use every ‘trick’ in the book to discredit or even destroy both the messages and in some cases the messengers. 
    I’m sure Iolo and company will do an excellent job of education all regardless of where we reside and provide that much needed reality. I’m an old country lad born and bred and thankfully still learn much from these folk.

  • mickysf
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    edited May 2023 #8

    Just a few days until SpringWatch returns. (29th May)

    So good to hear that Chris has been totally vindicated and the bullies get their comeuppance. Hopefully he can now enjoy peace of mind away and we can enjoy his enthusiasm for wildlife.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-65707076

  • Fisherman
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    edited May 2023 #9

    With Iolo indisposed it will be wokier than usual. May be some of his pre recorded stuff there whilst the rest read the autocues.

  • mickysf
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    edited May 2023 #10

    I don’t think with Chris at the helm now having been fully vindicated of those cowardly accusations it will be woke at all. He is at the forefront of restorative practices and rattles a few cages in the process but all in the name of true nature, he tells it as it is, warts and all. Good on him, hope to see more in the new series.

  • ABM
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    edited May 2023 #11

     Why do you say Iolo is indisposed, Fishy,   I've not heard or seen anything about him.

    I just know he's a cracking great nature lover / Presenter.

  • ABM
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    edited May 2023 #12

    Don't answer that !!

     Found a Paragraph or six from  " METRO " where Iolo says he had a stent fitted in April and that caused him a few problems !

    Very Best  Wishes for a Speedy Recovery for one of our very best T.V. Naturalists.

  • mickysf
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    edited May 2023 #13

    Sadly Iolo has suffered an embolism in the last few days and has had to reluctantly withdraw from this series. I’m sure we all wish him well in his speedy recovery. Great man!

  • Fisherman
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    edited May 2023 #14

    Hopefully the eco warrior will have been arrested by the police following his slow march in London. You may then get a decent programme. As for Iolo he is getting better. 

  • mickysf
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    edited May 2023 #15

    He was there with the BBC making a programme about peaceful protest.

    The day the government or police decide who can or can’t make their voice heard, who can engage in peaceful demonstration or withhold their labour then that will be a very sad day for the UK. Free speech and peaceful protests, including strike actions, are not luxuries, they are the right of all.

    Some have no comprehension of the meaning of woke some show their real colours and abuse the term to be derogatory about others. 

  • Fisherman
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    edited May 2023 #16

    We will agree to disagree.

  • mickysf
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    edited May 2023 #17

    What a fabulously informative series this one is becoming. Showing nature in the raw, no prisoners taken, the jays and those parasitic wasps. The bits about the foxes and the badgers showed new to me facts about these mammals. Keep t coming team springwatch!

  • Fisherman
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    edited June 2023 #18

    Did they tell you they killed a badger by running over it with a  gas guzzling 4 x 4. Thought not.

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited June 2023 #19

    You said that on the previous page 🙄

  • mickysf
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    edited June 2023 #20

    Yes, tinny, a ‘story’ resurrected from 2015. Even today the cause of the injuries are a mystery. The Daily Mail were very careful not to attribute absolute blame but in their usual style mentioned names of folk in the vicinity leaving those who wish to jump to conclusions to make the unsubstantiated link. Sadly many badgers are found dead at the roadside, some natural deaths, some roadkill, some possible illegal kills. Sad but unfortunately true. Another good reason to help wherever we can.

  • Fisherman
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    edited June 2023 #21

    No sensible person would handle such an animal. Its, big, heavy and riddled with TB. If you hit it with a car you would have a big repair bill for sure. Add in their destruction of ground nesting birds and they are a big problem. Human control is the only viable option.

  • RedKite
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    edited June 2023 #22

    Gosh it is a lovely warm day here!

  • brue
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    edited June 2023 #23

    Do you have similar programmes in France RedKite? The filming around Arne has been great, perfect weather just now. I'm not a big Springwatch fan but there is much to see. smile

  • RedKite
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    edited June 2023 #24

    We do have seen some nature programmes but we do not watch much local tv even a channel called Chasse.

    I have been watching Springwatch and know Arne reserve very well.

  • mickysf
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    edited June 2023 #25

    Fishy, can you describe the levels at which badgers and foxes are, in your eyes, acceptable in our environment? I suspect that you would wish them eradicated completely, well in your nimby land at least, may be alright elsewhere mind!
    They are not ‘riddled’ with TB as you suggest, the scientific evidence is not supportive of this accusation and domestic cats and dogs are more of an issue to ground nesting and other birds than they are, that is a fact. Do you understand nature and balance? I suspect not!

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited June 2023 #26

    Badgers are the garbage handlers/cleaners of the Animal world, they clean up bodies. They are not fast enough to catch living wildlife, they’re just snuffle pigs. They’re destroyed by Humans because they hurt the bottom line-profit. Any part of the natural world that cuts profits is eradicated. Keeping Badgers out with the right Badger proof fencing costs money & that cuts profits killing them is way cheaper. Before anyone cites Farming isn’t for profit are kidding themselves. Adam Henson is one of the most intelligent & honest Farmers I’ve seen. When he lost cattle to TB he didn’t wax lyrical that they were family his main concerns were the cost & loss of life. Honesty👍🏻

  • Fisherman
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    edited June 2023 #27

    Your theory is all animals get a free life. So the foxes, badgers etc kill off the ground nesting birds and mammals in an area as part of nature. They then decrease in numbers as the food supply disappears. Either that or they move elsewhere or find another food source. Am I right so far? Unfortunately whilst this happens the red species birds are eliminated and become extinct. Just what has been happening. Seems a weird theory to me. To justify the stance then farmers etc are blamed or perhaps the in word " climate change. "  Fortunately in some areas we provide management ( not elimination) and the birds hang on, not thrive I admit. Thats because there are no doubt other factors involved but at least we manage what we can. Strange that the grouse moors of Yorkshire can provide a surplus 120 curlew eggs to reintroduce them elsewhere in the UK. But it will be a waste unless predator control takes place in these new areas as that is the main cause of the extinction in the first place. Unlikely to get this information on Springwatch.

  • mickysf
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    edited June 2023 #28

    There are so many flaws and misunderstandings here I really don’t know where to start. Maybe this could help enlightenment. Well the TB bit previously mentioned! 
    https://www.dorsetwildlifetrust.org.uk/things-do/actfornature/badgers-and-bovine-tuberculosis-btb

    As for predator control, what levels are acceptable? That is crucial to the balance equation!

     

  • Fisherman
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    edited June 2023 #29

    Well we cull over 300 foxes in our small area. They are still here but we do have a modicum of small birds. That figure is fairly stable so I guess we are about right. Lets go to Rocky.  Henson fences off his 1000 acre farm and is badger proof. He has infected Badgers on the land so he is allowed to eliminate them? If not what a waste of fencing. So next his neighbour does the same and so on, leaves a large area free of Badgers me thinks. Is that what you really want and why did no one think of this when TB control was discussed. You see We here think of control not elimination in its wider sense

  • mickysf
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    edited June 2023 #30

    No, I want eradication of bovine TB and the passing on of the disease between the two creatures. Oh, and let’s not forget deer which are also a significant vector in the spread along with other mammals and possibly birds. This has to be a joined up approach taking all the science into account not just shooting including those not carrying this disease. A cross species vaccine would be helpful but there is resistance amongst some for that too.

  • Fisherman
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    edited June 2023 #31

    Great in theory. We get on with practical solutions in the here and now. So far we seem to be right if the diversity of nature is a benchmark.