Site Shops
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As long as you are compliant, hold the correct documentation and insurance, just like those F&C, pizza and ice cream vans etc. that do already trade on site, why not? Clearly though they are not having to run the site at the same time!
Whether the club/staff/campers would see you on site as an advantage is a different matter!
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So a site review which mentions a conversation with a disgruntled employee. Nothing official then because there is nothing official.
JK
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No list available WN, it's just between colleagues as I mentioned earlier. The feedback at the end of the season will be useful.
JK
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You'll just need a shop license from the club, adequate liability insurance and if you're selling produced food an up to date food hygiene certificate along with permission to park somewhere other than your pitch from the site staff and a selection of dates you'll commit to. Simples, bring your spuds.
JK
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JK
If it was the review I have just read ( first review of of this year for the site in question) the reviewer was quite complementary about the site staff. It would seem however, going by your earlier explanation of the situation regarding HQ instructions to site staff regarding certain products and how site staff have to take responsibility for what they sell that the reviewer either misunderstood what the site staff were saying or was given incorrect information, we will probably never know.
Just widening the topic slightly what about visiting food vendors like pizza and fish and chip vans? Who vets and authorises such businesses? Reading comments on Facebook these seem very popular so hopefully they won't suffer the same fate as site shops?
David
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Food vendors who provide the correct up to date paperwork as I mentioned to Huskydog along with proof of vehicle / trailer or whatever being legal and insured and a suitable up to date risk assessment for operating on a club site are fine. Nothing changed there in all the time I've been staff. Must say though I've had some proper dodgy fish & chips when we were at Broadway in 2010
. The best chippy van was Glen's chippy who comes twice a week down at Godrevy Park in Cornwall.I'm not going over old ground but just to reiterate the club are more than happy for staff to run a shop if they so wish, they just have to ensure that certain requirements are met first.
JK
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JK
Thanks for the additional information re food vendors. We also had some pretty awful fish and chips at Barnard Castle site. Having said that we also had a very nice pizza on one site.
David
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Clumber Park has a lovely pizza outlet visit. Not cheap, but very very nice. I think there is a F&C van that calls as well.
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We used to stop off in M&M for fish and chips driving back from Cornwall (used a layby North for dining). When we stopped on a CL in Moreton a couple of years ago, we used same F&C shop, and it was frankly, awful.
Best we have had on a Club Site were at Durham, and Marazion. (Chippy at Roseugeon I think JK, you might recall?) Good ice cream van at Ferry Meadow’s, daily visits I think😁0 -
TW will have to put with me re-entering this discussion yet again...
But the C&CC shop news is informative and innovative (if the whole article is read) and I think buying in a small standard range of card payable products available on all sites is a customer oriented approach that sounds sensible to me. I hope it works well for the site managers and the members.I like the way that the membership has been informed too which I think is important.
Maybe this is the way forward with CAMC, who knows, but it's interesting to see this approach.
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Oh dear, JK you are naughty reminding young Brian of Fish n chips at Godrevy ~~ you have started me thinking about good eating at Sites and that's reminded me it's three hours plus to my next meal so its snack time. Now wheres the Hot Cross Buns.............
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I wasn't sure where Brue had seen that information but then realised it was in their latest e-newsletter here Does seem they are going in a totally different direction to the CMC. Obviously a different arrangement with their site staff? Perhaps the C&CC are underwriting the purchase of stock? Plus cashless transactions.
David
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We always found the C&CC this way.
Shop transactions were always cash as it was run by the wardens. No idea on the structure.
I'm saddened by cashless payments. With card transactions someone takes a bite out every stage, rendering the actual 'money' less. We've just lost a fabulous greengrocers because having pushed folks into using cards during the pandemic the banks have increased the fees per transaction and charging for declined cards 🤬 something a trader has no way of knowing until too late.......
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Bakers2
We are increasingly becoming a cashless society, I even paid for my haircut this morning by card, something pre COVID would have never happened! The vast majority of C&CC site arrivals have already paid their site fees so perhaps the reasoning behind the cashless bit is to save site staff, not only the risk of having cash on site but also the need to bank it at regular intervals, especially now there are so few banks around?
David
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I agree David, but I don't like it. There's something doing the rounds about £50 spend being worth much less after a few transactions. Whereas a £50 note remained the same value after each transaction.
Banks happy to close and tell us our custom is valuable whilst keeping us waiting for ages on the phone because they've closed all the branches..... 🤐. Helps their profits....
Sorry off topic
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I don't know the arrangement with site shops and the expectations of their staff with the other club DK but what I do know is quite a number of staff that have started with this club this year are experienced staff from that club. That happens most years but this year the numbers have increased a lot.
Talk of cashless, every year since covid we take less cash. Last year over a 6 month period we only went to the bank once. How times change.
JK
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That don’t stand up to logic B2🤷🏻♂️(1st para). The 2nd para I’m with you all the way, it’s annoying due to the amount of customers waiting to make a transaction in the few physical banks that are left.
re 1st para-£50 as an espend vs a £50 note, the note degrades, it carries germs it can be lost those alone are negatives. The espend is no note replacement=no cost, no contamination to you, you can’t lose what you don’t have. When Govt’s replace worn notes they have to be destroyed/incinerated, replacements manufactured, it all costs & those costs will be passed on to you & I. At worst they are both the same cost, at best the cashless transaction is worth more to all of us in the savings.
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No convenience at all, I was hoping to offer a different angle to B2, it was so minimal I could afford to pass over it. If you have an alternative I’d love to hear it. As I’ve said many times-intelligent discourse is the way forward👍🏻😊
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I suppose a small barber might not previously have taken cards, but surely most hairdressers did well before COVID. A hairdressing client of mine took about 30% of their takings in cash during the calendar year 2019. During 2022 it was only 11%. I just checked this from the actual figures. I would have thought that fairly typical for multi-chair hairdressers. Of course this is a big change so COVID certainly had its effect.
I can't remember where it was, but I bought something in a Club shop last year and they had their own card machine - not the clubs', but their own. One of those little white SumUp machines. We had a brief discussion about it and they thought it invaluable and I am sure I recall the lady saying that a number of site warden had started to use them.
The competition among providers of card services is much greater now than it once was and charges have fallen. A typical rate of 3% at one time is now more typically half that. SumUp's charges are 1.69% plus they have a great app for monitoring card sales which itself saves time for accounting purposes. (I don't have an axe to grind for SumUp in case anyone wondered - no connection whatsoever).
Cash is not totally cost free; banks make charges for paying in cash and cheques and businesses with a lot of cash have to pay someone to count it, reconcile it and bank it. On the whole a cashless business probably saves money with less admin, reduced bank charges and higher sales making up for the card charges - although I admit that probably would not apply to a small, low turnover, club shop.
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That’s a good narrative👍🏻, the thing is cashless fits with my personal ideal. I will be more than happy to waive the wallet & the flappy notes without even starting on the last century shrapnel to lug around. Nope, my phone with an App(sans wallet, the male purse) is a joy, I won’t mourn the old ways. Everyone with power makes money from us I have chosen who & how they make money from me-minimally & at my convenience👍🏻😊
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They swallow the sales pitch because it is one of the rare sales pitches that happens to be true - for both buyer and seller.
I think it more likely that charges will fall rather than rise as card use increases yet further. Also, it is a heavily regulated industry.
Moreover, as I said above, it is quite wrong to assume that cash is cost free to the seller.
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Nothing official micky but I nor anyone I know in this club have ever heard of a CAMC employee going to work for the other club. Speaking to the incomers it does seem as though this club's T's & C's, staff benefits and conditions win the day by a wide margin. I know that's just talk and I haven't set foot on one of the other clubs sites in 14 years since I was sworn at by the site manager 3 times in an hour!! but I know I'm glad they didn't like my cv all those years ago when we applied to both clubs
I'm not biased because I'm an employee but from our interview then induction and subsequent training events I've always felt respected and "looked after", even more so since covid.
JK
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, I get back in touch with my wholesalers , I’ve got my old till in the shed somewhere 
