Club prices getting silly
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That's true Steve but on the other hand it could be that now folk can book a h/s pitch they no longer need to book a service one to guarantee a h/s.
Then there is the fact that service pitches usually are a much smaller percentage of the site so will fill up quicker.
As always time will tell.
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Maybe true on those sites that has a choice but on the last ten (and more sites) I've been on with SP the rest of the pitches have been all hardstanding so people can't be choosing SP for that reason there? And in anycase grass pitches are closed during late autumn to late spring in some cases.
While it is a fact that the proportion is smaller, it is not as small as you may think. 30 to 40% SP is now the norm. And really it doesn't explain why they go quicker, the only reason must be that there is a demand for them before standard pitches. You seem to be saying that the 'fill up rate' is the same for both? Even if it were then that means SP go first then standard pitches?
Indeed on one site I was on (second weekend of last year's season) there were more outfits on SP than standard, it was 36 out 38 on SP v only 34 outfits over the rest of the site which had about 100+ standard pitches. Seacroft had 33 full service pitches over Christmas yet had spaces on the remaining 30 hardstanding pitches (and grass pitches were closed).
I think time has already told. SP are popular and sell more. That's all the club needs to know really and hence the latest refurb is all SP.
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It is just the MO of the C&CC. They have chosen, as a point of difference, to offer a discount to their older members. It's the same as some retail stores have a blanket 20% off every now and then. It's just something they build into their financial model. Personally I wouldn't get too excited about pensioners getting a 10% increase in their pensions as its likely only to apply to the basic state pension, unlikely that occupational pensions will match that figure, unless you are very lucky? By the time you allow for increases in energy, council tax and water bills I expect there won't be much of that increase left! The CMC have clearly not gone down that route and it seems they don't offer any discounts now since the mid week discount disappeared. When that was in place you could argue that the people more likely to benefit from that was pensioners as everyone else was at work when it applied? I am of the view that you take what is on offer. If the C&CC find it too draining on finances they will end it.
David
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Oh I know we have benifited from them ourselves. This year though BF have increased their prices considerably and not many offers from the club to offset it, no offers of course on single crossings.
Just checked ours, total cost for a 6.2 m caravan and a car one way at the end of April, £367 that's with a £31 discount. We have an outside cabin on a flexi ticket (which was also on an offer price) compare that to our return crossing Rotterdam to Hull mid June also outside Premier cabin £291.
Apologies for being off thread.
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unlikely that occupational pensions will match that figure
Teachers' pensions are going up 11.7%
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Very true David.
However the C&CC do have offers that ALL members can take advantage of even in the high season.
There is no getting away from it that site prices are going up, how folk deal with it is their business but we are hearing it from many sources now, that members are not happy and many saying they are not renewing their membership.
I know we are once again giving it some thought, now that we are back to overseas travel our usage of UK sites is minimal, is it worth keeping the membership going🤔
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As said before tax allowances aren't. I think it will be harder for many this year and it's worth searching around if needed.
However CAMC say they are going to promote some offers, just when is the question?! Have they reduced some pitch prices already I wonder, I think there maybe some adjustments going on?
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And as I said before nothing can be done about the allowances.
Also and I said a few times, this isn't about something that is essential for life, food, energy... we're talking about taking an outfit they already have and if the only thing they have to worry about is to a cheaper place to park it they are still very fortunate ni my view.
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Are taxes going up? Is that confirmed?
Maybe but 'lower income groups' don't usually have an outfit to tour in? And even if they do I'm sure that taxes and them is really beyond this thread.
As I said if finding somewhere 'cheaper' is all people have to worry about then all isn't that hard for them in my view.
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State pensions may be increasing with inflation, but those of us in the private sector are not receiving anything like a CPI increase on our company pensions.
My company pension is at least twice my state pension, so looks like, as usual, I will be falling even further behind as pension increases in the private sector are not guaranteed.
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Really? My occupational pension is definitely linked to CPI. They aren’t able to pay less and OH's likewise.
The thread is about club site prices so I guess if your income doesn’t stretch to them, you’re already doing the wise thing in going elsewhere.
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Just trying to book a 3 week Easter trip, following on from DD using our caravan first week in April.
Still have one site to book, but will be using mainly CLs and one CCC site.
Average site night price so far is £22. Higher than we would like, but not much we can do about it due to the cost of electricity.
Acceptable and within our budget.
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Also if you are going to invest money it is better spent on upgrading the facilities that the majority of people want.
David, how do you know that it is those sort of facilities, is serviced pitches, that are wanted by the majority? Perhaps by the most vocal members, but are you sure that is what is wanted by the silent majority?
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Good for you! I’ve not heard about mine yet.
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Well of course, you used club sites quite a bit before and when you had to stay in the UK you chose all club sites for your longer stays, so of course there is no change in wanting to use them more?
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Neither have I, but not expecting it to increasing by other than the bare minimum.
I have an index linked increase on what is required by regulations, which is only on part of my pension, the other more than half gets "discretionary" increases........otherwise known as virtually nothing.
Not much one can do in the private sector, one takes it, or should have gone elsewhere.
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Do you really think being one of the most vocal, or one of the silent majority (I assume you mean on here?) makes any difference at all to the club's planning? as a poster on CT I would like to think so but I doubt it's true - they didn't listen to me about deposits?
Wouldn't the club look at occupancy rates and how much members are happily willing to pay to stay on SP? From my experiences and a few others on here (the most vocal - a new label?) who actually use club sites and/or who are serving wardens they are extremely popular, there is no denying that is there?
They are wanted not because of anything posted on CT but by the simple idea that people use them a lot.
And the silent majority, if they are silent how does anyone know what they really want?
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Exactly. Did you never consider leaving the scheme and going with another pension provider?
Incidentally, twice as much as your state pension is a considerable sum and outstrips my occupational pension.
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My middle daughter is in the private sector and hers will be index linked?
You could have taken out a private pension?
But off topic now.
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However CAMC say they are going to promote some offers, just when is the question?
So far all the CAMC sites we have booked, some under the old system, some under the new, have increased in price. I suppose there is still time for special offers but they may well not reduce it back to what we will pay. The CC’s policy seems to be to try and get folk to book early to fix the price and of course as a result get lots of lovely deposits in the bank.
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+1, I was in the private sector many years ago & I still get up to 5% unless inflation is above 5% then it tracks it🤷🏻♂️
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Nellie
As CS points out I am sure the Club do their homework on the statistical use of serviced pitches v non serviced pitches. I suspect they are are unlikely to provide such facilities if they think no one will use them? From an observational point of view, which of course can only be a snapshot, it seems that service pitches are very popular. What we don't know yet is the impact of the new booking system which allows the booking of a hardstanding whereas in the past the only way to guarantee a hardstanding was to book a serviced pitch. I fully accept that from the Club's point of view that a service pitch provides more revenue so that could be a motivation as well? I just wonder how many of us, if invited to design a campsite, wouldn't put in all serviced pitches?
David
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I have been retired 16 years now, probably things have moved on as regards pensions. These days they are index linked, but this only came in from somewhere in the 90s.
I joined my employer in 1975 and was with them for 32 years, earning maximum final salary pension under their scheme. Never though I should pay money into an additional scheme.
Only part of my pension comes under the index linking rules. The part earned before that gets minimal if any increase.
I thought a final salary pension would be sufficient for our needs, OH has no pension of her own due to disability, but this unexpected inflation is of course not good. Our fuel bills are huge.
However, what I get is much more than the basic state pension, so we are still fortunate in that respect.
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I was given the option of paying extra into my company pension & whatever I put in my company matched it. That didn’t need a second thought I jumped at it! Plus the BOGOF shares deal👍🏻. My advice to anyone is invest in yourself & if you get a company to invest extra too pick it up & run with it to the max.
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K you may know this and/or it may not be possible but your OH can transfer some of her tax free personal allowance to you.
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