Is EHU metering a good investment?
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I did indeed quote sums but it was per pitch and of course if the Club were to go ahead and install meters, cost would depend on the phasing of work and the numbers of pitches to be converted. I agree it would not be cheap but then neither was rebranding and that didn't produce any great benefit for members.
I don't see what my usage of Club sites has to do with the issue at all other than perhaps if the Club offered more choice instead of one size fits all, I might make more use of them.
I am not saying you would cut back CS, that is your choice, but at least others who would want that choice, could.
Pitch prices with metering might not drop as much as I would like but at least they should drop. (they have at other sites) and members become responsible for their own energy consumption not the Club much the same as at home.
peedee
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and that didn't produce any great benefit for members.
Except that it did recruit (how many hundreds of thousands?) more MH owing members? That extra income will surely have benefited all?
As to your usage, I have no idea except you said you didn't like paying for the facilities block that you don't use and it was based on that I recall? but others have stated that even if the EHU 'price' was taken off they still wouldn't use club sites as they would still be 'overpriced'?.
Have they dropped at other sites? If so by how much?
But again why not let those that are going to use club sites make the decisions? I would welcome a survey based on those that actually do?
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Ok thanks PD, and yes even with those prices people have said they still wouldn't use club sites.
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People might be interested to read a recent Trust Pilot response from CAMC which yet again stated that the club hopes to introduce pay as you go for electricity on sites. See today's reviews and replies 20/01/23. It would be more interesting to see this statement enlarged on the club web site for all members to read.
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I like the word hopes. It can mean so many things!
I hope to win the lottery, well more than £176 which is the limit so far!
But a better statement, in terms of being clear, would be to actually say they were going to?
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We are currently looking at methods that could be used to provide a pay for use service relating to energy and hope to be able to trial this later on this year.
The salient part of the response given by the club to which you refer to Brue.
I thought their mention of using Economy pitches a bit rich considering they are usually situated in the rump end of a site.
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This is nothing new, wasn't there a similar response in the AGM? It has been mentioned before.
If the club was really serious it would be putting them in at SQ where a brand new installation is being done from scratch, or least put them in now and don't use the metering part?
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Yes for a statement made from the club now, but I was using were in the 'future in the past manner' - that is about a future arrangement made by the club in the past, which it has.
I'm not debating grammar with you DD as it's off topic, and if my grammar is incorrect the gist is clear and the club's stance is also clear in WN's post above.
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They are serious Corners and there is quite a bit of detail in the TP response. Regarding Steamer Quay there may be alterations to the plans, much will depend on the local planning committee. https://uk.trustpilot.com/users/60800ecb1403c4001af79356
Note the bit about trialling later in the year.
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It's not got that much more detail than the club has already stated at the AGM and previously. We, or I certainly did, already knew there would be a trial sometime this year and then the results looked at and a decision made then.
As SQ will be opening this summer either the bollards will either have meters in them and not used or they will have the standard EHU. There was nothing in the plans about meters as I pointed out and asked on the other thread.
'we hope to be in a position to trial something later this year, and if successful look to understand how we might be able to deliver this across our circa 17,500 bollards - it will however cost several millions of pounds and be rather disruptive if we choose to fast track it.'
Doesn't sound that serious to me? Even the trail is a 'hope' ?
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No the trial is being planned, I think it was on one of the northern sites, possibly Clayton? It has been mentioned previously by the club. I think the use of the "word" hope means what it says, just like some might say on here "they hope to go away" this year.
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Clachan, I think you’ll find.
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Looks as if in my OP I under estimated the number of bollards by 12,500 but got the several millions and the disruption right. Have to say that I haven't read anything since that changes my mind that metering will not get rolled out across the club network.
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Fair enough but to me that doesn't sound all that definite at all. If I said I hope to go away that would mean nothing was planned or booked at all. Once booked then it becomes more than a hope.
Also if successful it would be looked at? Is this the language of being serious?
So it's several years down the line even if successful?
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yes, I know you won't perhaps believe me but I do really think the club should put in meters at SQ, it's the best time to do financially, will make the site 'cheaper' if people want to use their own power and as it is non awning perhaps may appeal more to MHs? Or put them in and not use them?
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Well I am not, despite what I post, against meters and any new installation or replacement should get them to be at least future proof.
I do have reservations about using current funds, in effect 'our' money, being used to pay for them on existing sites though when they won't bring in any money to recoup that outlay. Also I do think there isn't that demand for them from people who use club sites (not having a 'go' at anyone at all) and their views should be sought?
To be fair I would say that having a trial at the site chosen is just nonsense, it doesn't sound as being particularly representative of club sites and so any results would be open to question?
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To be fair I would say that having a trial at the site chosen is just nonsense, it doesn't sound as being particularly representative of club sites and so any results would be open to question?
It seem a most strange site to select as there won't be a warden on site to collect the money, however they are going to get members to pay for the electricity. What will happen if one or more of the bollards don't function properly? They have already introduced a number plate recognition system for entry, although I don't know-how successful that has been.We
BTW Clachan was one of the £18 pn non-facility sites, have these now all reverted to date specific prices? If so I just have missed the announcement that these sites were no longer a single price for the whole season.😵😵
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BTW Clachan was one of the £18 pn non-facility sites, have these now all reverted to date specific prices? If so I just have missed the announcement that these sites were no longer a single price for the whole season.😵😵
Yes they have, and prices now based on how many people in your party. No longer a cheap option for families. Just looked at Clachan and prices for grass pitch vary from £19.70. to £20.40 for two people and hard standing pitches are £1 per night extra.
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I think that, even for me, the ANPR and metering trial at Clachan is being done for the benefit of the club as that site can then be done 'remotely' from the nearby staffed site?
As I said not a fair test.
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To get some accurate data about electric consumption I have just purchased a small power meter that I will fit to the caravan to allow me to monitor usage under real conditions for the way I use my caravan.
While I'm not particularly a green crusader I see the future usage of power being more and more from electricity rather than gas. Despite electricity cost increases, gas is still the dearest and has the inconvenience of humping cylinders about and the inherent risk of running out. In one of the recent show reviews I read of one manufacturer now selling an all-electric caravan. Almost that now myself, as an air fryer has taken over most of the duties from the gas oven, and I’ve been using a portable electric hob for years.
I hope soon to have some real world consumption figures to share. The meter cost me less than £20 including housing.
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It would also be interesting to know how the meter worked. Does it have to be wired into the circuit in order to measure usage? Look forward to you reporting back.
David
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Might depend what they are testing of course? It seems that Clachan could be a trial of a different nature if that includes both ANPR and metering. Might they be experimenting with the idea of running some of the less featured sites along a similar basis to save costs. At least starting with Clachan they have support a couple of miles away if there is a problem so probably a good place to start? If it proves relatively trouble free it could be extended to other sites without the support so close by. I could, of course be barking up the wrong tree but just a thought.
I have mentioned in the past the metering has to be accepted by the members so a small test could provide useful information on a way forward. I agree that that Steamer Quay would also be a good place to start as that site did not previously have electrics so an ideal starting point.
David
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Does it have to be wired into the circuit in order to measure usage?
Yes. I will take the cable from the 16 ampere EHU inlet to the fuse box and fit meter into it. Just the same as in a domestic installation. ( To save off-topic posts, I do have qualifications to do this. )
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