Am I an outdated fuddy duddy?
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We learned to choose our pitch (as much as possible) wisely years ago. I don’t do folks using pitches as walk throughs or shortcuts merely because they are lazy, but will happily pass the time of day with anyone who stops to say hello. A dog or two pegged out and us sat alongside has usually kept unwanted encroachment at a minimum in the past on Club Sites, so it hasn’t really been something we have encountered. You don’t tend to get such behaviour on CLs, as there’s generally a lot more space.
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Ah, you saw my earlier post.
Whatever your view of pitch crossing, if rules are not enforced and not followed, there is no point in having them. There might just as well be a polite request as a rule.🤷♂️
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Society, in all it’s shapes and forms, can have whatever rules, regulations, polite requests, etc…. It likes. But if there’s no enforcement, staffing, monitoring, follow up, then they simple aren’t worth the effort of writing.
Respect, doing the right thing, being fair, taking responsibility………….I sadly cannot think of a single entity, large or small, major or minor that hasn’t been found wanting in my lifetime, and it’s now the worst it’s ever been.
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It’s also to do with a persons outlook, temperament & humour-that is why I posted these-’😂😂’ in a prominent position to show my answer was based on the humour not fact👍🏻
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True👍🏻, it also says no annoying parties late into the night, no fires, Smokey BBQ’s, ball games near units. They are there to see every time a site is used🤷🏻♂️
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Well, not literally the same page here🤣🤣
I'm not sure we're totally like minded as I'm accepting of polite pitch crossing but not of the ignorant barging in type I described before.
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Semantics I know but is the phrase ‘asked to respect’ helpful within a rule? Rules are frequently misunderstood, go unread, ignored. Some are unaware of them and even when aware the interpretation can differ between folk. Of course, politely asking or having that friendly chat can help but at the end of the day it boils down to an individual’s choice to abide by disregard the rule. I guess when ignored the reasons why will possibly defines one’s character more than the rule itself.
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Me either but they’re all rules that are ignored, that was the pt TC👍🏻.
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Your earlier post implied they were ignored, Timbo, but not to the point of causing a nuisance.
I’m a little confused now.🤔
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Well I don't think so at all.
A person chooses to break the rules not the design of the site. Just because it's easy to do so isn't really an excuse or a defense. It is just rude and unacceptable behaviour.
It's easy for my car (by design) to break the speed limit that it's me that has to press down the accelerator and decide to break the speed limit.
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I find it sad that some of those posting here think it's OK to walk across other people's pitches. And, especially that those of us who still respect the good practice of not doing so are living in the past. I find that insulting. No wonder arguments sometimes get heated and personal in this place.
To me this attitude encapsulates the lack of respect in society today, especially among the younger generation, but also, seemingly, in some of those of older years.
Would you freely walk across other people's (unfenced) gardens when out on a walk? I doubt you would. And, yet, you yourself make the comment that you are renting your space for a period of time; that is exactly right. For those x days it is your space for which you have paid; the right to use it is your entitlement and not the entitlement of all-comers - just as your garden is your space. I certainly believe you should expect that space not to be made use of by people who are too lazy to take the proper route. Your analogy about the price of beer is also entirely misplaced. It is not the same thing at all. Of course, we'd all like to buy beer at 1970's prices, but how is that the same as losing the kind of respect for other people that once used to be more prevalent in British society.
I do not think you have to walk across other people's pitches in order to be sociable and make friends. That is a poor excuse for invading someone else's space. I always talk to my neighbours or other passers-by given even only half a chance. I travel alone most of the time and being able to chat with other members and campers is really important to me. I am upset by those who ignore one or who refuse to make eye-contact. But I jolly well would not dream of walking across some one else's pitch in the hope or expectation that that will enable me to make contact. Instead I would expect to be frowned upon because, as SteveL quite rightly states above, to do this is just plain rude.
On a different point, I agree with Tinny that a rule about crossing other people's pitches is hard to enforce. However, I strongly disagree with the notion that a rule that is hard to enforce or which people regularly break should be done away with. Adopting such an approach, in more important matters of law and social cohesion, would lead to chaos.
I accept that walking on other people's pitches is a minor transgression, but I remain of the view that good manners and respect for others is such that it should not happen. It's no use telling those of us who are annoyed by it to chill as some have. It won't spoil my time away, but nor will I ever see it as acceptable behaviour.
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Some people find it unacceptable that it happens and some are not and that's fine we all have different scales of what annoys and what doesn't and by how much, and how much privacy we expect, not that you can expect much on a campsite but I think someone walking so close as they can look into my caravan is breaking my privacy 'zone'.
I always use hardstanding pitches and on the sites I use there's always a grass strip between pitches and if someone want to walk on that it's not my space or pitch and I don't mind that at all but stepping on 'my' gravel is literally overstepping the mark and shouldn't happen. Perhaps as I use a HS it is obvious where 'my' pitch starts and ends and perhaps not so obvious on grass but close enough to peer into as the OP writes is just wrong, in my view.
If it happened to me I would certainly have a very polite request not to do it.
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A while ago at Rookesbury Pk a male was actually clearing a way through the hedge at the rear of our pitch. Politely asked if he was new to the club as his actions were not acceptable. Didn,t come that way again although we received dirty looks for rest of week.
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Good for you and it's their problem if they want to 'sulk' like that. You're there to enjoy your holiday.
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It upsets me when folk ask a question, then answer it themselves followed by berating the person who never said a word🤷🏻♂️. But I am more forgiving & I realise some folk get very upset over trivialities so I make allowances. Being more of a free spirit I tend not to get upset over innocent words on a forum🤟
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Not sure if this is relevant as the posts seem to be more about club sites and rules
We have now started to use more CL s yes they are much smaller but we have found that none of pitch crossing seems to happen whilst on site and you can still converse with people who are staying on the C L whilst having your own space.
Maybe the difference is that C L sites are members only.
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Of course it's the person who chooses to break the rules, and to blame anything else is wrong, and isn't an excuse or defense. But IMHO the fact remains that where it's easy to cut across pitches to get to, for example, the toiletblock, the design and layout will inevitably tempt some (not most) people to cut across by walking on other people's pitches.
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Or maybe there is way more room to manoeuvre👍🏻. The last one I was on I was shouting distance from my nearest neighbour. The family were playing cricket(with a soft ball) the ball never came close😊
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Why should we have to Euro ? Why should the 'offenders' still be allowed to get away with it? The problem is that we seem to have forgotten our manners and have adopted a very selfish attitude to everything. As each generation goes by things will just get worse as the children 'learn?' from their parents. Do we just have to accept that anything goes? I hope not but that is the way things appear to be going, sadly.
Just as an aside, the chances of passers by actually seeing into the caravan / motorhome is not that great if the light outside is brighter than the light in the caravan. The passers by are more likely to see a reflection of themselves in the windows. We see them clearly enough but not the other way around generally speaking. Check this out for yourself.
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Sorry but I find your last sentence to be somewhat strange. I very much doubt that payment of £50+ somehow means that selfish, lazy, me me me behaviour disappears, poof, into the wind🤷♀️ Being ignorant of the personal space and privacy needs of others is more a behavioural issue than the ability to pay a Membership fee.
Do you stay on Sites where non Members are made to wear badges telling you they are such…………..or might it just be a statement based on snobbery and supposition🤔
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Do you stay on Sites where non Members are made to wear badges telling you they are such…………..or might it just be a statement based on snobbery and supposition🤔
This is definitely not what was meant and certainly no snobbery involved.
My thoughts are simply that members may have more access to the club site rules as opposed to non members, this then making them easier to follow.
But It still comes down to common decency IMO not to cross pitches.
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- Not all sites accept non-members.
- Not many non-members use club sites in view of the extra fee payable.
- Site rules are available to all and displayed on site.
The non-member theory doesn't hold water I'm afraid.
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