Dornafield Touring Park

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  • JVB66
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    edited December 2022 #92

    I think you will find the only legal definition of "wild camping" is in a tent as used by backpackersundecided

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited December 2022 #93

    I don’t think you’re meant to take it that seriously, DD 😂😂

  • moulesy
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    edited December 2022 #94

    An arriving "to stay" van has no problem - isn't there a service point on site.  And a departing "having stayed" van would, similarly have no problem. The problem, if there is one, would be caused by a "splash and dasher" turning up en spec when a MH is already using it.

    Not sure about your reference to the double white line having no meaning - if it's there "as a guide",  presumably it's a guide to remain on the left hand side. undecided

  • JVB66
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    edited December 2022 #95

    The island and then lines still allows for delivery vehicles to turn right before the barriers and give access to the M/C service point a "splash and dash"vehicle can stand away on the arrivals before 1300 grand join the queue after 1300 if service point in usewink

  • JVB66
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    edited December 2022 #96

    The on site service point means a drive round most of the one way single track road to use as it is on the exit of the later servised point areasurprised

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  • JVB66
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    edited December 2022 #98

    PS for servised point read serviiced pitches area laughing

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  • Graydjames
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    edited December 2022 #100

     

     

    Sorry, post removed by writer as not on topic.

  • SteveL
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    edited December 2022 #101

    Given next May Bank Holiday it’s £51 a night for two adults on a standard HS pitch, I would expect the MH service points to be reserved for the exclusive use of those on site. Not cluttered with splash and dashers.

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  • SteveL
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    edited December 2022 #103

    You might think it expensive YT but clearly many don’t. There are plenty of takers when the price goes back to that level in July and August, even on the service pitches which are £5 more. Unlike the May dates, you could not book those until the 12th September, when the economic mire we were in had become clear and by paying a 20% deposit.

  • cyberyacht
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    edited December 2022 #104

    CAMC formerly CC. The name has changed but the mindset is the same.

    The use of a "Splash& Dash" facility does not of itself indicate that a motorhome is necessarily parking/camping illegally. It may, for instance, have stayed quite legitimately on a council/ pub car park overnight but which did not have a waste disposal facility.

    The Camping & Caravan Club does not have "Motorhome" in its name but is, however, more motorhome friendly. Perhaps that is why I have tended to use their sites over the past couple of years quite apart from them generally being cheaper.

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  • JVB66
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    edited December 2022 #106

    A couple of years ago we were at FM when Three motor caravans arrived all on hire all non members and stayed for 3nights? I lent my watering cans to one who needed water ,the conversation included how cheap it was to stay on the site , it was over forty pounds?per night for each couple being non members and  that was not peak prices

    Many of us demographics of this club ,are it seems way behind the salaries some are getting ,and also some pensioners especially those from government golden key pension schemes 

  • SteveL
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    edited December 2022 #107

    The use of a "Splash& Dash" facility does not of itself indicate that a motorhome is necessarily parking/camping illegally. It may, for instance, have stayed quite legitimately on a council/ pub car park overnight but which did not have a waste disposal facility.

    Personally I think legal overnight stopping places should have to provide basic facilities.

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  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited December 2022 #110

    Some folk plan for their own future way in advance taking responsibility for themselves whereas others live for the day expecting others to be responsible for them in the future. The former have little or no issues JV.

  • SteveL
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    edited December 2022 #111

    I’m well aware YT, we used Aires as much as we have used sites, when taking our MH to France. Although not the ones with no facilities, there are plenty that have them. My comments stand. Permission shouldn’t be given for overnight stopping places unless they can provide basic facilities. All the local authority, or whoever provides the space is doing, is moving the responsibility for providing correct disposal provision on to someone else.

  • SteveL
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    edited December 2022 #112

    We get out a bit more and are equally happy with both, when in the respective countries. In France on our tour this year, our site costs averaged £13.30, whilst in this country they averaged £26.70. I suspect average costs will be up in 2023 in both countries.

    Edit.     The  average for this country is a bit false, as it was brought down by the £17 a night we paid for our stay at Altnaharra. Now that’s a bargain site, they could ask more.😉

  • cyberyacht
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    edited December 2022 #113

    Do you think it appropriate for a pub to be told what they can and can't do with their car park? Such locations are very ad hoc and used perhaps only occasionally yet would be expected to invest in infrastructure  impinging on their, already no doubt, slender profit margins.

    Yet CAMC sites which already have the infrastructure in place decline to provide the service and miss out on an income stream.

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  • SteveL
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    edited December 2022 #115

    Yes I do. If they are providing overnight accommodation parking they should provide at least basic disposal facilities. I am by no means taring everyone with the same brush but we all know there are those who will dispose of irresponsibly.

  • SteveL
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    edited December 2022 #116

    The thing is, with a system as large and diverse as the one across Europe, there is always 'somewhere' to get access to services.

    Got it in one YT. We don’t have that here and populating the network with non facility Aires and expecting the likes of the CAMC to provide dump and fill, is in my opinion not going to result in a sustainable network. We don’t have a huge country, even a small amount of irresponsible dumping, will have a severe affect and is not likely to endear the local population to want one in their locality.

  • Cornersteady
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    edited December 2022 #117

    Perhaps all those empty spaces are going to your gold standard site that you've posted about a number of times being what the club should be aiming for - Concierge Camping. It's £72 per night for a standard pitch or £90 even £150 for an emperor pitch and some of those are showing full!

    Whether it sounds like a bargain or not to you is beside the point, it's what poeple are prepared to pay. 

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  • Cornersteady
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    edited December 2022 #121

    That's the second time you have used awful to say how the club, and/or club members' view the practice. Apart from you no one has said this.

    I don't view it as awful at all but as a regular club site user, and like others, I see it as quite probably causing traffic/safety problems on site as well as perhaps stopping those staying and paying the full price from using the service points?

    I see, quite often, two MH waiting to use the service point why should they be further inconvenienced by those not staying on site?

    As for having different views or methods with the two clubs, that's not really an argument for them doing the same thing in any way?