Dornafield Touring Park
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I don’t think you’re meant to take it that seriously, DD 😂😂
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An arriving "to stay" van has no problem - isn't there a service point on site. And a departing "having stayed" van would, similarly have no problem. The problem, if there is one, would be caused by a "splash and dasher" turning up en spec when a MH is already using it.
Not sure about your reference to the double white line having no meaning - if it's there "as a guide", presumably it's a guide to remain on the left hand side.
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The island and then lines still allows for delivery vehicles to turn right before the barriers and give access to the M/C service point a "splash and dash"vehicle can stand away on the arrivals before 1300 grand join the queue after 1300 if service point in use
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Sorry, post removed by writer as not on topic.
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Given next May Bank Holiday it’s £51 a night for two adults on a standard HS pitch, by then I would expect some to be thinking very carefully about whether this is a price they want to pay.
£350+ for a week on a pitch doesn't seem like a bargain to me....💷
watch this (these empty) space(s)🫢, might be a lot more room than you think😉
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You might think it expensive YT but clearly many don’t. There are plenty of takers when the price goes back to that level in July and August, even on the service pitches which are £5 more. Unlike the May dates, you could not book those until the 12th September, when the economic mire we were in had become clear and by paying a 20% deposit.
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CAMC formerly CC. The name has changed but the mindset is the same.
The use of a "Splash& Dash" facility does not of itself indicate that a motorhome is necessarily parking/camping illegally. It may, for instance, have stayed quite legitimately on a council/ pub car park overnight but which did not have a waste disposal facility.
The Camping & Caravan Club does not have "Motorhome" in its name but is, however, more motorhome friendly. Perhaps that is why I have tended to use their sites over the past couple of years quite apart from them generally being cheaper.
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Yes, there's still availability for the peak although many days are marked as 'low', none are 'full'...I wonder if that's a change compared to previous years on one of the club's Flagship sites?
even the serviced pitches are only 'full' on four days out the whole of peak and the last 2 weeks of peak aren't even marked as 'low'..
again, this may be a change from previous years...possibly prices, possibly COL pressure, possibly the change in T/C and some speculative bookings aren't being made.
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A couple of years ago we were at FM when Three motor caravans arrived all on hire all non members and stayed for 3nights? I lent my watering cans to one who needed water ,the conversation included how cheap it was to stay on the site , it was over forty pounds?per night for each couple being non members and that was not peak prices
Many of us demographics of this club ,are it seems way behind the salaries some are getting ,and also some pensioners especially those from government golden key pension schemes
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The use of a "Splash& Dash" facility does not of itself indicate that a motorhome is necessarily parking/camping illegally. It may, for instance, have stayed quite legitimately on a council/ pub car park overnight but which did not have a waste disposal facility.
Personally I think legal overnight stopping places should have to provide basic facilities.
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"Personally I think legal overnight stopping places should have to provide basic facilities."
....but that's not how the Aires system works in Europe.
there are Aires that have services only, some have overnighting and services, some have overnight parking but no services.
it just depends on what the local community has provided.
I didn't see why this can't apply to 'Aires' in the uk.
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Some folk plan for their own future way in advance taking responsibility for themselves whereas others live for the day expecting others to be responsible for them in the future. The former have little or no issues JV.
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I’m well aware YT, we used Aires as much as we have used sites, when taking our MH to France. Although not the ones with no facilities, there are plenty that have them. My comments stand. Permission shouldn’t be given for overnight stopping places unless they can provide basic facilities. All the local authority, or whoever provides the space is doing, is moving the responsibility for providing correct disposal provision on to someone else.
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We get out a bit more and are equally happy with both, when in the respective countries. In France on our tour this year, our site costs averaged £13.30, whilst in this country they averaged £26.70. I suspect average costs will be up in 2023 in both countries.
Edit. The average for this country is a bit false, as it was brought down by the £17 a night we paid for our stay at Altnaharra. Now that’s a bargain site, they could ask more.😉
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Do you think it appropriate for a pub to be told what they can and can't do with their car park? Such locations are very ad hoc and used perhaps only occasionally yet would be expected to invest in infrastructure impinging on their, already no doubt, slender profit margins.
Yet CAMC sites which already have the infrastructure in place decline to provide the service and miss out on an income stream.
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With respect, whilst they are great and a useful addition to the overall system, confining yourself to one set of commercial 'Aires' as in Camping Car parks doesn't give a very wide view of the total Aires network.
The thing is, with a system as large and diverse as the one across Europe, there is always 'somewhere' to get access to services.
one could stay a couple of days on an aire without services (and some of these are wonderful stopping places in countryside or villages, so why knock them, they're part of the 'whole') and then move onto one with services....or even one with just a service point but no stopping allowed and then to the next overnight.
perhaps it's because there isn't a 'one size fits all' approach to Aires in Europe that makes it such a wonderful and delightful part of touring there.
perhaps those who are comfortable overnighting in a council owned car park (see my South Hams thread) or even a pub car park are those who have been 'doing it' in Europe and realise that these services are precious and to be respected, hence the desire to be able to stay but to find somewhere to dump waste if facilities aren't available at that 'aire'.
If you were to read the user comments against any of the thousands of stopping places listed on, say, park4night the most common phrases are those users expressing their heartfelt thanks to the local authorities for the provision of the service they've just made use of.
there is a real deep respect for the Aires network and folk don't abuse it as they realise how lucky they are to have it.
having different types of aire, including those without services certainly doesn't turn folk into waste leaving wild campers.
quite the opposite in my experience.
however, enough of Aires and back to Dornafield...
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Yes I do. If they are providing overnight accommodation parking they should provide at least basic disposal facilities. I am by no means taring everyone with the same brush but we all know there are those who will dispose of irresponsibly.
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The thing is, with a system as large and diverse as the one across Europe, there is always 'somewhere' to get access to services.
Got it in one YT. We don’t have that here and populating the network with non facility Aires and expecting the likes of the CAMC to provide dump and fill, is in my opinion not going to result in a sustainable network. We don’t have a huge country, even a small amount of irresponsible dumping, will have a severe affect and is not likely to endear the local population to want one in their locality.
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Perhaps all those empty spaces are going to your gold standard site that you've posted about a number of times being what the club should be aiming for - Concierge Camping. It's £72 per night for a standard pitch or £90 even £150 for an emperor pitch and some of those are showing full!
Whether it sounds like a bargain or not to you is beside the point, it's what poeple are prepared to pay.
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It's whether you take the horse to the water or not...
Both clubs have the infrastructure in place to ensure waste is correctly disposed of. Why should pubs etc spend shed load on waste services when overnight parking isn't their core business.
I wonder why C&CC take a different view to CAMC on this subject? Surely they'd both be in alignment if this was such an awful things for members to be doing?
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I'm not sure why you keep referring back to a recommendation I made ages ago, yet seem unable to remember that I'd explained only recently (in fact, several times) why I wouldn't go there these days....the site is wonderful but the prices are now silly.
they might well be booked at these high prices, but the site is special (compared to Club sites) and there are only a relatively small number of pitches available.
filling one really good site at 'very high' prices might be a different proposition to selling a network full of middle of the road sites at 'high' prices.
at the end of the day, you're not comparing like with like.
those visiting Chichester and the Witterings (as we do) might choose Concierge Camping over the C&CC site as a treat.
as you say, time will tell if the Club has its prices right for its level of offering.
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That's the second time you have used awful to say how the club, and/or club members' view the practice. Apart from you no one has said this.
I don't view it as awful at all but as a regular club site user, and like others, I see it as quite probably causing traffic/safety problems on site as well as perhaps stopping those staying and paying the full price from using the service points?
I see, quite often, two MH waiting to use the service point why should they be further inconvenienced by those not staying on site?
As for having different views or methods with the two clubs, that's not really an argument for them doing the same thing in any way?
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