Help shape future facilities at UK Club campsites

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  • Unknown
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    edited April 2022 #242
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  • Burgundy
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    edited April 2022 #243

    Looks as if it’s devoid of any life smile

  • SeasideBill
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    edited April 2022 #244

    Yes, looks like an ideal site for some glamping units. No risk of getting too close to nature or, heaven forbid, grass on your shoes. 

  • DavidKlyne
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    edited April 2022 #245

    Regardless of the naysayers I suspect a site of the quality of White Water is exactly what the majority of Club members want? I base that on how quickly serviced pitches get booked up and on most sites how the hardstanding are always taken first. It would be interesting for those that claim such campsites are like car parks to provide some photos of examples of sites that have hardstanding that don't look like carparks. 

    To me White Water is an excellent example of post industrial urban regeneration.  It is not the only site in the network where the Club have contributed to similar regenerations. Rocky, I don't think you need fear for wild life at White Water as there is a large Nature Reserve next door.

    David

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited April 2022 #246

    This one perhaps as an example of a site with HS that doesn’t look like a car park?

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  • Takethedogalong
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    edited April 2022 #248

    Best hedging we have ever enjoyed was in Cornwall on a CL. Six pitching areas, and a separate hedged “service” area. Now Cornish hedges are a bit special……farmer had banked up earth, carefully consolidated with stone, and then planted up with a wealth of wildflowers and what some might think of as weeds😂 Long grasses, primroses, dog roses, three cornered leeks, scabious, bluebells, ragged Robin, field poppies, thyme, rosemary, blackberries, etc……. Wonderful colour, scents, free foraging, a haven for wildlife, including frogs, toads, hedgehogs, field mice, lizards, bees, butterflies, moths, and all sorts of birds and insects. It was truly the sort of place if you did decide to have a day on site, nature came to you. The pitches were huge as well, and very private. It still remains to this day the best Site we have ever used, and for 15 years was our home from home, as we kept a van stored down there, so despite the long drive, we were up and down four or five times a year, in all seasons, often for a month at a time. Sadly no longer available due to very tragic circumstances, but it’s given us some of our best holiday memories.

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited April 2022 #249

    Correct. Well spotted. I was impressed by the site and can’t imagine why we haven’t discovered it before now.

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited April 2022 #250

    I agree DK, somewhat sadly. It is what many Members want. Absolutely no effort required to pitch up. It does have an exciting Watersports centre on its doorstep, and the Nature Reserve. But all that tarmac and gravel is very sterile, and those serviced pitches have the MH waste point and the loos as their view, which isn’t my kind of heaven. Some of the other pitches might be more attractive, I can see grass on your photo.

    Winchcombe looks better👍

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  • peedee
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    edited April 2022 #252

    My kind of site.

    peedee

     
  • Takethedogalong
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    edited April 2022 #253

    We used to drive through Winch Combe on our way to SW. Looks a very nice Site, in a lovely location.

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited April 2022 #254

    A useful drive through MHSP, too.

  • Cornersteady
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    edited April 2022 #255

    And not many car parks have this sort of view.

    To reinforce DK's point about people wanting SP these are the standards pitches and there were more outfits on the service pitches (39 out of 44)  that weekend than the standard pitches (35 out of 144). On both there were the same proportion of motorhomes, about one third.

    The site is all HS so the popularity of the SP can't be due to that and so it would appear that people were prepared to pay the extra £4.90 to have a SP. I notice the same pattern for the next BH with less than 5 pitches remaining on SP. 

  • allanandjean
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    edited April 2022 #256

    "It would be interesting for those that claim such campsites are like car parks to provide some photos of examples of sites that have hardstanding that don't look like carparks."

    Hi David, I think its the hard standing that leads to some of the perceived issues.

    So far as I can see the reasons that hard standings are usability in all weathers and a level pitch and costs dictate that the pitch size will usually be the minimum usable and invariably this means pitches are as in your picture.

    The weather aspect is probably the most significant which means, for us, staying on UK sites will see us looking for hard standings so that we have no issues with muddy surfaces etc.

    However, when abroad we would not think about a hard standing and don't recall ever using one, but what you do get, due to the dryer weather, is a surface more likely to tolerate a caravan being maneuvered onto it than would generally be the case here.

    So, if in the UK would have no expectations that sites would look different than you and TW pictured, and would be happy to stay there, but cross the water and I would neither expect nor find such layouts.

    Cant see either provision changing much so "vive la difference!"

  • brue
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    edited April 2022 #257

    This site has hardstandings and no SPS, it's the location that counts and the views are all around at Derwentwater with no need for a vehicle. We'd never use Troutbeck due to the need for travel. I've never seen Derwentwater with empty spaces. Not sure what this means except some like different locations. wink

  • SteveL
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    edited April 2022 #258

    Plus it’s £32 cheaper for us, for the four days we’ve booked in October. Unless of course the C&CC add on a surcharge, they’ve not said anything yet. Given the loss of the CAMC’s USP and the obvious advantages for those with a MH it’s a fairly easy choice. I don’t think we would make a different one even if we didn’t get the age related discount. That’s from someone who likes Troutbeck. We had several long holidays there with our caravans. We even used it for a night on route last year with our MH.

  • Cornersteady
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    edited April 2022 #259

    Location does indeed count, but the site too, and having stayed at Derwentwater we were disappointed by it and certainly not in the same league as TH in our view, views are good and access to Keswick but that is all, of course everyone is entitled to their opinion preference as you allude to. We need variety. 

    Also location wise, it's well placed but walking up to the tops you're pretty much stuck to either Skiddaw (and only one route up really, the 'tourist' route, which is great once but say the Ullock pike ridge route is far better which you need to travel to start it), or you have Catbells onwards route but it's either back the same way and/or follow the two ridges to Newlands and then it's a fair way back to Keswick, and up to Bleaberry Fell. After those you do have to travel. TH is far better placed for any other area in the lakes I would say.

    But my picture and post to was give an example of not a 'car park site' and to show that for CAMC members SP are quite in demand over standard pitches, and that is true on every site I've been to that has them. Everyone chooses what they want in terms of prices and location or SP the end there is no right or wrong decisions. It's good there is so much variety to choose from.

  • JVB66
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    edited April 2022 #260

    Black Knowl when the days are shorter and the grass pitches not in use usually has a herd of deer jumps over the fence to feed on sitecool

  • brue
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    edited April 2022 #261

    It could be Aldridge Hill next door to Black Knowl, a much more relaxed non ehu site blending in to the NF with animals roaming, no need for them to jump over fences. wink

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  • Cornersteady
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    edited April 2022 #263

    Without a picture I'm unable to comment. And of course your definition of a car park site isn't necessarily the definitive one.  

    Actually I've just had a look at the photographs on its webpage and it comes no where near my idea of a car park. My local par car at the local shopping centre looks nothing like that at all. They look nothing alike to my eyes? I just don't get this car park analogy at all I'm afraid

  • Hja
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    edited April 2022 #264

     I did complete day 2 of the survey - which as has been said up thread was all about toilet blocks.

    One question was to allocate about 30 different items into essential, desirable etc.  They ranged from toilets to wet suit washing & drying, to music in the loos, to separate bathrooms..

    A number of different sites were highlighted with pictures and comments asked for - Black Knowl, Carnon Downs, Hillhead, Cayton Village.

    Questions around would you rather have one super duper loo block or a couple of standard ones.

    I managed to get some stuff in about only loo emptying being essential and preferred no facility sites.  This seemed to cause some consternation and I had a couple of responses asking for further info about this, including from the moderator/admin why did I prefer this sort of site and how could the Club "help" with this!!!

    Unfortunately I then lost e mail access for two days.  I did send an e mail to the organisation giving answers to these point - dont know if it will be accepted or not.  

    However the loss of internet meant I didn't see or complete day 3.

  • Cornersteady
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    edited April 2022 #265

    Thanks for more detail on the questions.

    As an aside up to this time last year I would have been intrigued at the wet suit questions but one of my daughters is now into wild swimming and is booking a four day wild swimming tour of the lake district for the summer and two dates were fully booked up, it is getting very popular. Obviously no point having these on a site if there's no where nearby to swim but still at least it was included in the survey

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited April 2022 #266

    Meanwhile, in a World not dominated by gravel and tarmac…….

    First photo is our spacious (🤣) pitch looking towards Chastleton House in the Cotswolds, you can just see the HS option over bonnet of MH. Thoroughbred racehorses ambling about in next paddock.

    Second photo, we are in fact on hardstanding, but not as the Club knows it! Photo taken from levee bank of Kennet and Avon Canal, our view from rear window was up towards Avebury. Field is owned by HM The Queen, and you get lots and lots of space😁 You can just see our nearest neighbours.

    I won’t rub it in and give the pitch price.

  • SeasideBill
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    edited April 2022 #267

    Maybe taking things a little too literally? 

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  • Takethedogalong
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    edited April 2022 #269

    Wild swimmers don’t usually use wet suits to be honest, unless for health reasons. It’s usually a swim suit, a bright coloured swim cap, and an optional pair of swim shoes to get you over the rocks/shingle😁 It’s all about the benefits of cold water, that Adrenalin rush. We still indulge, managed North Sea off Cocklawburn twice last year, 🥶and then the far warmer delights of the Gulf Stream off Cornwall.

    OH has to wear something, he has a shorty wetsuit, otherwise his dicky ticker might go into shock. No drying room required though. Rinse under tap, hang up on back of MH👍😁 Hope your daughter has a good time, sounds fun. I have swum in some of Lakes in past. Nicest places are off the beaten track, but never alone.

  • Cornersteady
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    edited April 2022 #270

    well they do on these tours TDA, she's trying to get booked into this one https://www.swimwildside.com/great_lakes_swim_tours.php

    Maybe because they last quite a long time? and she goes twice a week to Seaham and Seaburn for a swim there and it's wetsuits for everyone. Also wet-boots, caps, gloves.

    Not my cup of tea  - yet

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited April 2022 #271

    Sounds lovely, and yes, they are long swims. I think I would need a wetsuit to stay in to do those lengthy swims.

    Amazing difference if you do use a wet suit. I once spent four hours immersed in the Blue Lagoon near St David’s. One chap that was in with us started to shiver, and that was it, he got towed back to dry land. You never know when it might hit.