CAMC pitch markers
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Bad pitching has always been around, mainly because folks lack the common sense (intelligence), good manners, etc…. to see any potential problems, dangers etc…
Worse we ever had was a lovely small private site many years ago in Cornwall. We had a corner of a walled garden with van small awning up, enough room to back LR Defender in next to awning. Except new visitors pitched a large tent up far too close one day when we were out. It got sorted, diesel fumes as we fired up our Series 3 got too much for them eventually. They moved and went to bother someone else. Sorry, but they really were thick……..we had politely mentioned they might be a bit too close to us, but they were sure “it would be alright”.
Too many folks chasing too few pitches at times in UK at moment. Club are just trying to manage the tight pitching arrangements that most sites now have. My definition of a good pitch isn’t a good business model……can be found though😁
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At the end of the day this is just another way of ensuring that people pitch the way the club wants to ensure any fire regulations/guidance/spacing are adhered to. Yes people can debate these and/or are they necessary but the club has decided to abide by them.
This new system might be easier to use and it may even have the advantage of being more flexible width wise on certain pitches. Also I assume they will be wider than most outfits to accommodate the legal road width, but until we see them we won't know?
For me, and perhaps many others who use sites it's really not a big thing, or 'anything' to note and certainly doesn't interfere with the my holiday or time away. That mainly taken care of outside the site.
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We have just had a great weekend at Uttoxeter Club site, only on peg on the pitch and the lovely wardens gave clear instruction on how to pitch
When we rode round at least four vans (caravans and motorhomes) had pitched the wrong side of the peg making it impossible to use the next pitch
When I mentioned it to the warden when I went back to tell them our pitch number he went to investigate, we then watched as the people had to move their units to the correct side of the pitch
Not a difficult instruction to follow but did give us something to watch for the rest of the afternoon
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Netherlands is almost twice as densely populated as UK, Belgium is higher too, but the UK population is more concentrated in the south of the country.
England is 3 times as densely populated as Wales, and over 6 times compared to Scotland, so plenty of space up here, yet most of our campsites are still cramped.
It seems quite difficult to get permission to open a campsite, neighbours just do not like them, and large landowners do not seem keen either.
Our empty spaces are often well away from densely populated areas, certainly too far to travel for a short break, but generally not seen as a holiday destination by many. I am often surprised by how many members have never visited Scotland.
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There’s space and there’s usable space, Kj. Areas of Scotland, in particular, also Wales and England cannot possibly accommodate campsites so those that exist have to be fitted in on the suitable terrain. Perhaps that gives rise to the feeling of being cramped🤷🏻♂️
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Yes, aware of that, but the big estates and National Trust must have plenty of land where there could be sites, but as far as I can make out, most will not even consider it.
That, and other sparsely populated areas being remote from large centres of population, means sites are more concentrated in already crowded areas where land costs are high.
How often do we hear remarks about sites not being where MH users, in particular, want to be? No buses....no pubs or eating places....too remote for many caravanners too.
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I’m not disagreeing with you, Kj, but just pointing out a reason why sites cannot be established in huge swathes of our country.
As for sites not being where some folk want them, that’s surely down to personal choice of the prospective end user. What suits one, doesn’t suit another.
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A few years every site, or the ones I visited, had the toy car and I recall posts on here complaining about being treated like children, can't win either way I suppose.
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Call it a diorama then, it sounds so grown up.🤣 If there is a need for such things then there’s a need I guess! Pitching incorrectly has always happened and you have to wonder what is the ‘best’ method of helping folk pitch correctly. I’m sure staff don’t enjoy the time consuming, wasteful and possibly confrontational activity of having to speak with and then move folk but how can it be avoided. Those that think it is a childish thing are, you would hope, not the intended audience and it should go over their heads. If it reduces issues then so be it. You just wonder though that any attempt of ‘instruction’ eliminates the possible defensive retort of ‘nobody told me’ and makes pitching however they wish just a tad more challenging.
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Was there not a site on the network (probably an affiliated) where staff took the caravan away from the member and sited it for them?
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Bath Chew Valley AS, I believe.
Think how time consuming that would be for staff on a CAMC site.
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I always pitch to the peg, often much to the annoyance of my wife who feels being a foot away from the peg is no big deal!!! I wouldn't say that being told how I should pitch when I check into every site is childish but I think reception staff could tackle it in a slightly different way. I would be happy to be asked if I am familiar with the correct pitching procedure when at least I have to option of saying yes or asking to be shown. Perhaps its an easier script for the staff to follow by telling everyone. As I mentioned before, part of the problem could be that it is often the passenger that goes into reception to pay whilst the drive remains in the vehicle. How do we know the information is passed on? Perhaps rather than the model in reception each arrival should be handed a 6x4 card/paper with an illustration of the correct way to pitch which they have to return to reception with their pitch number? There could be no argument about not being made aware of the correct pitching procedure which in turn would make it easier for the warden to get someone to move if the member gets it wrong?
As far as the two peg system I will reserve judgement until I have visited a site with that in operation.
David
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This new system might be easier to use and it may even have the advantage of being more flexible width wise on certain pitches. Also I assume they will be wider than most outfits to accommodate the legal road width, but until we see them we won't know?
The system was in use at Castleton, last November. We were on a service pitch and our 2.22 metre wide van had 20/30 cm space each side to the pegs, when parked in the middle.
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That's quite a margin either side, so yes it could well be to our advantage. Thanks for posting.
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So not much clearane for the new 8' wide caravans which are over 240 cms wide.
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Looking at Steve's post, I just had a thought, imagine the two white pegs a distance of 2.64 (or 2.82) meters apart and two lines at 90 degrees to the bottom edge going to the front of the pitch? Now Steve's van is 2.2 m and has to fit between those lines.
So is everybody assuming an outfit will be pitched parallel to those lines? But there's enough extra distance to allow one corner 'touching' the right hand side one and the diagonally opposite corner 'touching' the left hand side with the result being the van being slightly across the pitch.
Now I know this is just a bit of fun and one would do that (would they) but it is technically within the rules? or will extra instructions be necessary?
If I've got time I'll work out the angles assuming a 7m van.
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Yes indeed, I'm just wondering if the club expects all outfits to be parallel?
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Evening
I'll be staying with the one pitch marker. I'm always on site to see if everyone's happy with their chosen pitch and to assist if needed because I have the time on this site.
I guess before the day's out we'll again get the usual boring education of how it's so much better over there
I spend a lot of time over there too but I don't feel the need to compare what is in my opinion incomparable.
JK
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I fully understand your logic, JK, but I wonder if not standardising pitching arrangements across the network might add to some folks' confusion 🤷🏻♂️
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So if that tiny Eriba can fit on pitch sideways, or that trailer tent which opens up differently, or the teardrop caravan maintaining all the 3&6m rules that’s okay then? Afterall, if they meet the criteria? Nothing to do with over there, more to do with how reasonable we are!
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Some time ago when Folkestone. Race course site was open, OH and I watched a German family arrive and look for a pitch marker ,the area they were looking was full ,but that did not matter as they pitched by a large areas near a ccep ,and then after their meal they did there washing up in the ccep
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I once saw a uk motorhomer fill up their fresh water using the waste hose at the motor home service point having watched a previous user flushing out his chem. toilet cassette there. Think the club have since been removed these hoses for those cross contamination reasons.
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The two peg arrangement isn't yet standardised TW, but saying that, to avoid any confusion I prefer the old school way of actually talking to people
JK
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Does that mean that it's up to the warden(s) to adopt this practice?
And yes a full +1 about comparisons.
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Good to see your sense of humour is still there DD
JK
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Purely site specific and down to the managers discretion micky, but why not, all day long
JK
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