Email regarding price increases
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So a unit that costs £43 will be sold for £10 if enough are sold? Personally I think not somehow.
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DD, I’ll take your word for it. Arithmetic was never my strong subject, I preferred Geography - more colouring in. 😉
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One of the arguments about this seems to be paying for electricity used upon departure. If CAMC got into the 21st Century, members would have a card registered and costs could be debited automatically. There's the first objection solved already.
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Goldie
I suspect the concern is that electricity usage is becoming a larger element of site fees and some are beginning to wonder if they are getting a fair deal from the current all inclusive way of charging for those site fees? It would be more transparent if electricity was paid for separately with the option for some that they wouldn't connect to the site electricity. If they are going to add £2.50 a night to some site fees that would suggest, with the recent progression of prices, that anywhere between £5 and £8 is the cost per day at peak times?
David
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Well so you say and depends what you were selling or buying but I thought you were in the law, and as you once posted, aircrew as well . A varied life indeed.
Well if a unit which looks fairly complicated (to me) to make and manufacture that costs £43 pounds can be bought for £10 someone is making a good profit. But alas off topic.
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I meant have the option to have EHU or not on the same pitch.
That is how it used to be until 2004. When it was change to be inclusive, the Club, amid all the complaints the Club, said it would not be legal to do so under the new law about third party charges for electriicity. I cannot see them saying they can now do so?????
peedee
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So the Club has done nothing to lobby for a change in the regulations for 18 years. Time they got off the back side and did something about it. Perhaps (or more likely probably) they do not want people to see from the difference what they have been charging per pitch.
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It is perfectly legal to levy a flat fee for "use of the bollard" which is what C&CC does. What they cannot legally do is to resell metered electricity unless they have a secondary supplier agreement in place.
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I have noticed over the last year how much the club has put prices up so this is no suprise
I think it is very poor customer service to not communicate it better
Surely if you choose to try to follow some of the cost saving options then a price reduction should be offered? If we could have an option to not use the EHU on a pitch for a reduced rate this might help some
Also I agree how can the club justify varying price increases, the costing for each site is complicated enough
We are booked to go to Uttoxeter this weekend, first time visit and I have noticed some pitches have the standard 16amp EHU but some only have 10amp EHU no mention of reduced price for the lower ones and no option to pre book either. This will not bother us but I can imagine if you are a family and staying on site for a week or longer the lower rate may cause you an issue.
Just seems one more thing the club have not really put much thought into
They have taken lots of new members on over the last couple of years so must have increased the revenue from membership, whilst I know prices are increasing for everyone for everything we buy at the moment I think we deserve better from suppliers who have enjoyed big profits over the years
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Still nothing on the club pages about this. Just had a glance at York Beechwood for period covering the changes.
Only thing that MAY have changed is it says view details and price guide. Link leads you to price the usual table. I cannot tell if the prices quoted there are correct.......
As we're without touring facilities at present I won't be booking, I'm just curious.......
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I noticed that on another forum someone suggested £5 million to convert the whole network.
Also a lot of people think that these price prices from April are due to rising power usage but it's not being done retrospectively is it? These price rises are not based on the increasing usage last year are they? That would have been taen into account on setting prices this year?
I am pretty confident that the club knows quite well what it's electricity costs are, certainly globally and even by site. I also think that they know what was used in previous years and can project what will be used this coming year from April and they based their prices on that. But as stated in the email:
In fact the Club's electricity costs are forecast to increase by an unprecedented amount of around 50% this year.
So no matter how much they thought it was going to cost it's gone up by 50% so of course that has to be passed on to keep the club viable I would think?
People are appear to be posting that everyone else uses more than they do, that somehow they are below average (really the mean average) and the they are paying for the above average users. (Not true of course as you are simply paying the asking price as Steve said) But no one really knows what the average is or, even more importantly when looking at averages, how consistent the data is or as it is called - standard deviation, ie how far out are the highs and lows from the average. With a large sample like the club it might not be as large as one would think.
One last point, the club need to be competitive, all inclusive (holidays) are very popular (I was booking/looking at some last week abroad and the travel agent it's mostly all they were selling for people like me) and if only the club went metered then people will choose other sites where it isn't. I've looked at a few of the lager sites/chains, and I couldn't spot any metered ones?
As always I believe in choice, if metering is to your liking then go to where you can find it. If club prices are now too high then go where you'll get a better price.
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I think you are incorrect and TW put it better than I could as to why, all the complaints? any evidence for that? No CT then so I'm wondering how you know?
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Me? Nah, I’m not that interested so I’ll leave it to you but it is something that has been quoted on here again and again. Perhaps you’ve forgotten.
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Does it matter why, ancient history.
And all those complaints you mentioned? I was certainly a member at the time and can't remember any?
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The new Facilities block at Cayton Village has Solar panels on the roof
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Different playing field AD😁 Yours has ferry fees. Mind, it’s one I’d rather lose as well.👍
I would love to see a breakdown of the income and expenditure for some different Club Sites. I used to manage a diverse range of sports facilities, and loved tinkering with things that could maximise income, and cut running costs. Sometimes it was often quite simple things🤔
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I can't be entirely certain but there are solar panels at Troutbeck Head which were installed after it's refurbishment a few years ago. Also lots of solar powered stand alone lights.
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If the clubs leccy is 'forecast to increase by an unprecedented amount of around 50% this year' doesn't this mean that, with an proposed increase of upto £2.50 a night, then the current charged cost at that site is £5?
so now the power element of plugging into a site bollard will be £7.50 a night. Add in £4.90 for a Serviced Pitch and you're paying £12:40 a night (£87 a week) for water, waste and leccy on the pitch. That's a huge amount of money for just the add ins.
At Hillhead, the current peak SP price of £52 ish will now be around £55 a night. This must surely put this site out of reach for many who would have liked to have visited one of the Clubs Flagship sites.
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A few solar panels on a roof can certainly run lights in an office and perhaps the office equipment but we are talking about electricity prices on the pitch and powering a hundred pitches using heaters etc ain't going to happen with a few panels.
I can be self sufficient but I have 300w of solar.
If each unit could manage their own power and site costs costs could be virtually eliminated but the club can't provide the sort of power we are talking about without the grid nor is it prepared to give a proper price reduction to anyone who can fend for themselves.
similarly, folk who don't camp off grid and usually arrive at a club site and expect to plug in at a reasonable price aren't going to invest in kitting up their vans as others do who camp at different types of sites/locations.
however, the squeeze is on and ever rising site power prices will gradually kill off customers who can't afford site prices and don't have the inclination/funds to manage their power needs themselves.
so we have the well heeled (in both camps)...those who can afford to continue touring despite higher prices and those who might spend that cash disconnecting themselves from the dependency of a hookup cable.
of course some might just go on a cruise and forget all about it...but there will be many who just have to give up what they are doing as prices spiral away.
the sad thing is that the club could easily provide a non EHU option, allow customers cheaper camping, let the customer take on the responsibility of powering their own unit and reduce the overall cost to the club.
win-win, you'd think?
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The email says the price increase will depend on the season. As I put up thread, I would hope that means the larger sum will be in the winter months. Given how much domestic prices are rising, it certainly wouldn’t be difficult to justify the additional £2.50 a night in the winter months. 70 p would seem fairly reasonable for the summer, when electricity consumption is much less. Your £7.50 for electricity is likely to only equate to 30 or less KW hours a day, at these inflated prices. On an old thread I seem to remember KjellNN measuring this sort of figure in the cold months.
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You may be right Steve, but if the winter leccy price increase is more than in the summer then prices are going to gradually even out across the year making out of season touring less attractive, again putting the cheaper touring of those finding prices more difficult at an increased risk.
can't go in winter, leccy too high. Can't go in summer, base brides already way too high.
customers need to be given the option to disconnect themselves from this spiral and if it reduces the amount of power supplied by the club then all the better.
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Currently I would be more concerned about the cost of fuel affecting viability of our hobby. A choice is available over which site you use, nobody has to use those of the CAMC, if they can find a non EHU option that they prefer. Unfortunately there is no getting away from fuel. Which for us works out at 7.5 pence a mile more on this time last year. The two tours we did last year would come in at £225 more, equivalent to 90 site nights at the highest rate.
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As far as I know there already are about 17 Club sites with options of a pitch with or without electricity. Are the non EHU pitches popular?
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