Email regarding price increases
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I suppose that responsible ‘wild’ camping, the use of Pub Stops and local community overnight stops will become increasingly attractive. May be the club needs to consider similar in these challenging and fast changing times and a move to be able to opt out of EHU on a pitch would be a start for many, particularly those with solar and those one night per site tourers.
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No i don't agree.
So other forum complaints? in 2004? Ok well any real complaints to the club? I can't remember even any in magazine.
Anyway we are we are. Do you search out meter sites on your last tour? There isn't that many about?
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There is no doubt the cost of fuel is a concern but there is little one can do about that other than curtail the distances you travel. On the other hand, if you have off grid capability it gives you the opportunity to cut costs providing suitable non EHU pitches are available but the problem encountered by motorhome owners with these capablitiies is the lack of hard standing non EHU pitches. These are few and far between and while there are many more grass non EHU pitches there is a risk in using them, that is if you manage to book them!. In the winter months and early in the season many such pithes are closed and you are only left with EHU hardstandings. Either way unless you can afford the increases, you are screwed unless you resort to using "unofficial sites". It could be there will be a rise in motorhome owners seeking these?.
peedee
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- In 2004 that is quoted of some complaints? about non electric pitches on sites it was about the same time that electric was included in the pitch charges and the explosion of motorcaravans and solar panel had not arrived, ,and probably by those who did not want? electric with the previous system but as known by many wardens it would be same people who would plug in at night
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Well I and I am sure others will take a dim view of it if the Club now deciides it can offer pitches at a discount if you do not plug in the provided EHU.
No, I do not search out metered pitches, of more importance to me is location and price, especially the latter if only requiring a short stay (one or two days) Having a self contained motorhome I am happy to stay at the simplest of sites and for my main tour this year I will be using a variety of different types of site, with and without EHU.
peedee
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When Electricity was an extra it was a well known fact ask any warden as was then ,and it will be confirmed ,we are talking around 2004 and before not since EHU was integrated in the pitch price and since as I posted and you seem to have misread?
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I think you mean 9 nights, Steve?
as you say, we have choice of sites, in the uk and abroad...and, despite the ferry cost (£350 return) to north of France (far closer for us than, say Scotland) at €20/£18 a night for a serviced pitch, incl electric and wifi one only has to do 35 nights to break even with club sites at £28 a night....many club sites are more than this, and many overseas tourers do more nights than 35, so the equation is moving the wrong way for the club.
Customers are pretty savvy and can choose sites and location for comparison with the 'default' choice with CAMC who seem to believe the only way forward with their model is to provide more of the same and keep charging more for it.
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Well known fact, never, but not unheard of I guess. My truck is with the suggestion that significant numbers would do it now! I really do not think this is the case, the vast majority of us are honest and anyway, would not wish to have our membership suspended for what would amount to theft.
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I meant 90 nights at the £2.50 surcharge. I was just noting that for us the increase in fuel cost is by far more significant and unavoidable, if you want to tour as we do and the whole reason we bought the MH. This is particularly the case in France where fuel is similar to here but electricity costs have been capped, so hopefully no surcharges at sites.
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I haven't the faintest idea of what you are really saying JVB. Prior to 2004 there were many who were happy to go without electricity, even caravan owners. Witness that by the thousands that used to attend the National Rallies when no electricity was provided or the many who rallied and still do so without the support of the orange umbilical cord. Solar panels have become cheaper and also make it much easier to do so.
peedee
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I did not receive the email, but I received a letter in the post. Perhaps I will be charged extra for the postage!
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We received the email and we have several bookings throughout the year. We are due off on Sunday for nearly 3 weeks in the north of Scotland where the forecast is for colder weather. So whilst we're happy to switch off the heating whilst out for the day, switching it off overnight is a no no I'm afraid as we generally have it on low. I hope it's just that the email is badly worded and doesn't mean overnight if the caravan/motorhome is occupied, in the colder months.
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Some people don’t seem to realise that while they are using electricity on a caravan site they won’t be using it at home. Cost difference might be very little.
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I would assume that the club records, retains and analyses the electricity consumption by members throughout the year. If this is the case then applying the increased costs can be done easily. However if the club wishes to avoid being drawn into an ever increasing inflationary spiral a strong case can be made for metering. I am on a long stay in Spain and pay 13 Euros a night plus 48c per KW hour (about 40p). Many other Spanish sites include electricity but will charge you for "excess use" I use about 25 units a week. I fail to see why I should be expected to subsidise the feckless.
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When we are away from home in the caravan our smart meter records a 1.5 kWh average per day, when at home we tend to average 8 kWh per day. (excluding charging up the PHEV), We only caravan between late April and September, because we have installed 2 x 80 watt solar panels in series and a Victron MPPT controller for the past few years we have not switched on the Sargent battery charger, it is only the caravan fridge and occasionally the Alde heating/water system and our 500 watt Remoska, I would estimate on average we use 2 to 3 kWh a day (at 30 pence a kWh 60 to 90 pence) when on site or 4 to 5 kWh maximum (at 30 pence a kWh £1.20 to £1.50) when it is cold.
At present he CMC charge £2.00 per day to charge up a PHEV and £8.00 a day for a full EV,
I can see these increase to £3.00 and £12.00 once the new site is up and running.
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Maths do not stack up for me ET, currently i am paying average £2 per day to SSE for lecce and same for gas = £4 per day on average, a pitch on a club site would be average £25 per day a loss of £21?. Today thus far my solar panels have generated 12.273 Kw.
saw a headline in the Liverpool Echo today to say the government are drawing up plans to ban us driving on a sunday and reducing motorway speed to 24 mph, interesting times
sorry 64mph
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It depends on who is still at home. My disabled son lives with me, as does my adult daughter so I save very little money on fuel costs whilst I am away. I did expect a rise in the costs of site bookings to cover the extra fuel costs, so was not surprised by the information. All things considered with what is going on in the world at the moment, I am just happy to be able to get away in my van now and again, even if it does cost me more in diesel and site costs. I do sympathise with the site staff as they will most probably be subjected to moans and groans about it, even though it is something which they have no control over.
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64 would work well for us and make sense. I generally cruise at low 60's on Motorways. Going mid 50's doesn't seem to improve mpg any more, however cruising at the 70 limit significantly reduces it. Shame about the Sunday though, it is my favourite day, less HGV's.
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Reducing speeds increases fuel consumption.
My village has had a 20mph speed limit foisted upon us and I now pass through in third gear rather than fifth gear. Someone can work it out exactly if they want to, but obviously the engine now turns over more times than it did previously. More turns is more fuel used, and more polution produced.
I expect 64 mph on the motorway (assuming no roadworks making it less) will have same effect, and no driving on Sunday will just put retailers and hospitality out of business.
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Don’t know about 20 zones, but cruising at 60 / 64 uses significantly less than tearing along at 70 mph. Plus our MH would be in 6th gear at either speed. I’m sure pushing all that air aside as speed increases comes into the equation somewhere.🤔
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I'm in France now but have been in Spain for six weeks...on a site with metered electric (€0.40 per kWh).
total electric bill was €25 and I also used two full Repsol gas bottles at €22 each. So total fuel cost of €69. On site for 42 days so €1.64 a day.
this included OH using hairdryer, use of electric kettle, all cooking and occasional heating and electric blankets (it's been cold at times...).
im happy to use my own fuel and equipment but not if the club won't allow me a sensible discount for doing so...not only that, they want to charge me more AND ask me to 'do my bit'.
when you use your own services you tend to become more thrifty, and we (as a now natural habit) use far less water than most, we also turn off any lights when not directly using them etc...
perhaps service costs overall would come down if less resources were used?
perhaps if there were sufficient overall reduction, some of this proposed (imminent) increase could be avoided..
as it is, the club have a blooming cheek asking folk to be careful with resources yet at the same time tell them they will be charged the increase whether they adopt that thrift or not...
time for a rethink CAMC.
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As has probably most of the heat! Or at least out the rows of open toilet windows.
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