Aid to getting it perfectly level

harry1000
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edited September 2021 in Parts & Accessories #1

Caravan Levelling Aid

This is a really simple project to understand, but the results are quite astounding.

This design is my copyright, but you are most welcome to reproduce it for your own use. If you think you could make it a worth while and saleable item, I would be more than happy to discus it and there would be absolutely no up front fees payable to me.  I have had it in regular use for the past four years, so it is a tried and tested design.

I am well aware that some might find it unnecessary, that its high accuracy is even less necessary, but its main point is that of speed and convenience of setting up level, without need for an assistant. The display unit is intended to hang in your front window, just at those times you require to use it and at other times can be stowed out of the way. You just drive (or use the mover) onto site, then watching the display via your interior mirror, pull the van onto your ramp until it shows side to side level. After unhitching, you wind the jockey until it shows end to end as being level. No fuss, no confusion, no SWMBO misinterpreting a bubble level, swift, simple to understand and absolutely accurate every time.  It is visible in full bright sun as well as in total darkness.  

As said the display goes in a window, the sensor unit can be installed anywhere you like, where a 12v supply can be found, it only draws a few mA, which can be tapped off any circuit in the van.  It does of course need to be where it will not be disturbed, or knocked once calibrated A good location will likely be under a front bed, or in a top front cupboard, but the sensor must be firmly fixed. The sensor is then connected to the display via a multi-core flexible cable, the length of which is not important what ever length suits the application.

In use it is rather counter intuitive. As you would expect - One of the pair of opposing LED’s will light up, to indicate the high side, but then as the van approaches very close to level, both opposing LED’s will flash alternately. Perfect level is when the two LED’s flash on for an equal period of time – you are not aiming for both opposing LED’s to be out, as that is almost impossible to achieve in practise.

Calibrating

Calibrating the sensor is a matter of setting your van to its best compromise of level, then calibrating the sensor to that level. We all know that the floor will not agree with the worktop and the worktop not agree with the sink plus hob and these not match the needs of the drains - so you set the van to what ever is the best compromise, then calibrate this unit to that best compromise of level. Each time you arrive on a site after that, you can then be sure of reproducing that exact level.       

Construction

No doubt you will have to do some interpretation depending upon what you have available and your resources.

This is my second version, with an amendment at the end, to improve the base.

For this one I used an old cassette tape case, as the case for the display. It is permanently powered, ready to use, so a switch is included in the side of the display unit. Build method is my usual quick and dirty for a one off design – just solder the components and wires in place. Case contains 4x superbright white LED’s for the four directions, 1 superbright red LED as both a power on indicator and a reference point for which other LED’s are lit when working in absolute darkness setting up, a switch for turning it on and off and a diode to protect against the power being connected the wrong way around.
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Wiring Diagram and components.










Intention is to  hang the display in the front window or just place it so it can be seen only whilst setting up. The damp patches are where I superglued the LED’s in place.





My Mk II sensor uses a length of 20mm plastic electrical conduit, with a coupling with a threaded lug end and a threaded locking ring. The latter secures it to a sheet of double sided PCB, that PCB is then fixed to a second sheet of PCB, with 4x4mm brass screws and three 4mm brass nuts per screw (12 nuts in total), so the spacing between the boards can be micro adjusted at each side for calibration purposes. Total height of the 20mm conduit from face of PCB to the top is 6.5”. Once the screws were tightened, I ground their heads down to reduce the amount they protruded.



Linking the display to the sensor unit, I used 4 pair (8 wires) flexible type network cable, but only 6 wires are needed. The network cable is fixed to the lower PCB only, with a couple of tiewraps, holding it clear of the underside of the end of the conduit and its locking ring. A 5amp two way connector is fixed to the lower left corner for connection of the 12v +ve and -ve, with a third tiewrap




The upper PCB has its corner cut off, to enable access to the 12v input terminals. Here are both units ready for final connection.




This is the brass bob-weight, turned up in the lathe. It needs to be slim enough to fit in the plastic tube and between the four contacts The RH end was drilled and tapped to accept a 4mm brass screw. The brass screw I drilled through the centre with a 1mm drill, to accept a suspension wire. I made a second similar screw, which screws into a tapped brass insert which was itself turned to fit neatly inside a 20mm plastic bush (the black object on the right). You can just see the brass insert poking out of the plastic bush.

The suspension of the bob-weight is crucial to its accurate operation. It has to be centred, both top and bottom and the suspension wire needs to be conductive, thin and very compliant, so as not to disturb the ‘hang’ of the bob-weight. Network cable is too rigid and will want resume its curl. I used a single core from the telephone wire, as used to link a phone to the socket at the wall. This type of wire has the copper strands mixed in with nylon, which makes it very strong, but very flexible. The downside is that it is very difficult to solder, but not impossible. When soldered it will have the two screw heads facing each other, ready to screw into the bob-weight at one end and the brass bush at the top end. That is stripped at either end, then passed through the 1mm holes in each screw head, then the ends soldered at the far end of the screw from the end (the threaded end). I set it up so the length of the suspension wire, hung the bob-weight with 2/3rds below the contacts, 1/3 above the contacts.




For the four point contacts, making contact with the bob-weight, I used four brass electrical grub screws, removed from an old socket.  Ideally these need to have an end which is slightly pointed or at least slightly domed, so they make a definite contact at a single point on the bob-weight. I drilled a suitable size of the 4 holes, so the grub screws cut their own thread, but which left the grub screws tight to turn in the plastic. You don’t want the screws able to move on their own, once in service, but they do need to be adjustable for setting up.

There is no need to prevent the bob-weight from moving whilst in transit. It cannot move very far between the contacts, the suspension wire can support several kilogram and the bob-weight only weighs a few grams. Besides the slight movement of the bob-weight helps keep the contacts and itself clean. A spray of WD40 does seem to help with this last point.



Here is my latest update on this little project, with some improvements...

I have revised the base – it is now a tripod with three adjusters to set the level up. The two triangular bases are made from some scrap alloy sheet. The base of which has to be fixed into a suitable place in the van, the van then set at what ever level works for that particular van, then the unit is then finally calibrated. The idea is not one of getting the caravan precisely level, but one of being able to quickly reproduce the version of level which makes your caravan work best.



I've used crimp on bullet connectors, which happened to be a perfect fit on the grub screws. Rather than adjusting a top and bottom nut, I have used three springs pushing the two triangular plates apart and tight against the top nut. The vacant holes just above four contacts points, serve no purpose, it was just an attempt to use an alternative contact method, to the one I settled upon. 




Here you can see one of the four grub screw contacts. These are tightened up so as to leave an absolute minimum of gap between their tips and the bob-weight. The bob-weight obviously needs to be able to move, but only slightly.



This most recent version is as yet untested for accuracy, but a couple of weeks ago I carried out some accuracy and repeatability tests on my original version and I have no reason to expect the accuracy of this version being much different from my original. The results were really quite surprising....

For test and calibration purposes, I used a mag-mount LCD engineering level, which reads to 00.00 of a degree - 2 decimal places. I only tested the fore and aft accuracy, the side to side will be the same, but not so easy to test. The process went as follows...

1. Switch unit on and level the van end to end as near as I could get it, as indicated by the unit. In fact the indication was slightly more accurate than I was able to adjust it, using the jockey wheel height adjustment. It is so very sensitive.

2. Set my mag-mount unit on the hitch, switch on and calibrate it to zero.

3. Lower the nose of the van to the floor, raise it to maximum, then adjust back to level as indicated by my HR unit. Finally take a reading from the mag-mount unit.

I repeated step 3 only a total of four times and noted down the errors between HR Unit and my fancy mag-mount unit, these are the results....

Round 1 00.09 degree error
Round 2 00.13 degree error
Round 3 00.01 degree error
Round 4 00.08 degree error


I had originally expected it to work to an accuracy of 1 degree or so, but the above results are quite astoundingly accurate for such an apparently crude device.


Enjoy!

 

Comments

  • commeyras
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    edited September 2021 #2

    Harry.  Think I'll just stick with my spirit level and and my glamorous assistant!

  • harry1000
    harry1000 Forum Participant Posts: 78
    edited September 2021 #3

    No problem..

    I am one of those people, who will happily spend an entire week of my spare time, just to save myself a little frustration when setting up on site. You can buy such a gadget, but I doubt it comes even close to the accuracy of my design. My shower is quite critical that I get the caravan level, so it will drain properly. A simple bubble level has never quite done for me, where there are so many surfaces not even level one to another.

  • Rocky 2 buckets
    Rocky 2 buckets Forum Participant Posts: 7,101
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    edited September 2021 #4

    It’s got numbers on it plus the word Gold😱, it must be super accurate H1👍🏻

  • harry1000
    harry1000 Forum Participant Posts: 78
    edited September 2021 #5

    and you have to make frequent trips to that level, to see which way to adjust the van, or have someone relay by shouting out what you need to do. My level hangs in the front window, is readable in complete darkness if necessary and can be seen by the person carrying out the adjustments.

  • EasyT
    EasyT Forum Participant Posts: 16,194
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    edited September 2021 #6

    I rarely feel the need to level other than fore and aft. Maybe one pitch in 12

  • Whittakerr
    Whittakerr Club Member Posts: 3,472 ✭✭✭✭
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    edited September 2021 #7

    A bit OTT i think Harry.

    For side to side levelling i use the Lock n Level air bag system and not a ramp. I just stand by the door watching the bubble in my spirt level and turn the compressor off when its level. Using the Lock n Level also means i have no problems fitting the Alko wheel lock which is difficult to do when using a ramp.

    Front to rear levelling is also simply done with a sprit level.

  • SteveL
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    edited September 2021 #8

    Looks a good idea H1. I wouldn’t want to go about making my own but I like a gadget and would have bought such if I knew it was available when we had a caravan. Now I use a bubble display similar in look to R2B’s but on a smart phone. Since we have switched to a MH we have found we aren’t as fussy about level for some reason. As long as it shows 1 degree or less when placed on top of the cooker glass top, we are happy and don’t really notice it. Or even 2 degrees if just for a night. Everything still works OK, although we prefer the fridge swinging shut to open.

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited September 2021 #9

    It’s gold standard H. . .It bluetooths the stats to your phone that is with you👍🏻😊

    PS-does your Heath Robinson gizmo follow you around the LV?🤷🏻‍♂️

  • Amesford
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    edited September 2021 #10

    I am happy as long as the kettle doesn't slide of the work surface or I roll out bed 

  • harry1000
    harry1000 Forum Participant Posts: 78
    edited September 2021 #11

    No, it wouldn't need to anyway, but it cost me nowt but a bit of pottering about time to build it.

    It hangs in the front window and I do all of the levelling from the front of the van using the mover remote, then adjusting the jockey wheel. As the sensor is in a permanently fixed position - the actual level achieved has perfect repeatability.

    Also keep in mind - I designed this long before Iphones, bluetooth and electronic level sensing. I actually designed in back in the 1970's, using 12v panel lamps. 

  • scoutman
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    edited September 2021 #12

    Each to their own Harry, I'm sure you enjoyed making that gizmo, but I will stick with my 200mm boat level, wedge and motor mover. I'm sure I could level my caravan across and back to front quicker than it took you to type your OP. Enjoy your caravaning.

  • richardandros
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    edited September 2021 #13

     I just press a button on the E&P handset and then watch the van get on with it!cool

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited September 2021 #14

    I am sure it was an interesting project and 10/10 for invention, but after 37 years touring, if the shower drains, my head is slightly higher than my feet in bed, and the dog doesn’t fall over walking inside, that’s us done👍

    I do have a natty gadget on my phone, and it glows in the dark, but seldom use it😁

  • PeteCI
    PeteCI Forum Participant Posts: 66
    edited September 2021 #15

    Thank you Harry for taking the time to describe your simple ingenious device. It's such a shame that many of the posters sneer at your efforts and can only see value in things when they shell out lots of cash. From many of the comments it is clear that they haven't really understood the fundamental benefit of your device.

    I'm pleased to see that there are still some real caravanners around.

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited September 2021 #16

    In that case H in the 70’s you where a leading thinker of low tech inventions & I salute your younger self👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited September 2021 #17

    There never was any sneering from anyone I could see, you are over reacting to the posts. I thought it was something he just came up with for the 21st century. I know different now, if you can point out any contemptuous mocking/sneering from me I will give both you & H an apology. 

    PS-I see the advantage of it in the 1970’s not now👍🏻

  • Metheven
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    edited September 2021 #18

    I didn't shell out lots of cash for my leveling aid, in fact £1.50 for the job money-mouth and because of my using this, does that mean I am not a real caravanner cry

    No sneering on my part and thumbs up to Harry who is obviously a lot smarter than me, just that I find leveling a simple part of the setting up procedure and see no need to over engineer it. I think you may have the problem rather than the other posters.

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited September 2021 #19

    Same here, I complimented the OP on his ingenuity. No sneering involved. We have never bothered that much about being super level, it was a glass of water in caravan, MH is mainly done by eye and comfort now. But others like to be very level, and it’s what suits them, so go for it. 

    As for low tech...... never owned a motor mover, only the great big one that’s attached to the tow hitch😁

  • EasyT
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    edited September 2021 #20

    Certainly no sneering

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  • eribaMotters
    eribaMotters Club Member Posts: 1,193 ✭✭✭✭
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    edited September 2021 #22

    I suppose we could adopt what I call the French method.

    Upon arrival unhitch and fill a glass with wine. Place it on the work surface just inside the door. Adjust van until said liquid sits level. Hook up van to bollard, drink contents and relax.

     

    Colin

  • harry1000
    harry1000 Forum Participant Posts: 78
    edited October 2021 #23

    Why not now? It works far better than anything I could buy, apart from maybe a fully automatic push button system, which I personally could not justify on either cost, or payload grounds. It takes up an infinitesimal amount of the payload and unlike my phone, is unlikely to be flat when I come to use it.

    And yes, I did quite enjoyed developing it, but there was no intention to make money out of it, but I thought others might find the idea novel and perhaps useful. However, each to their own - the basic idea is very simple and it is not difficult to reproduce should someone want to build one.

  • harry1000
    harry1000 Forum Participant Posts: 78
    edited October 2021 #24

     That was the type of simple device I began my caravanning career with. It worked to an extent, but I soon found they didn't have the resolution needed - I could still feel the caravan wasn't level when I stepped inside. The other problem was the running back and forth to check it during adjustments, and needing a torch in the dark. 

  • Bakers2
    Bakers2 Forum Participant Posts: 8,192 ✭✭✭
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    edited October 2021 #25

    We use some water in the sink, gives front to back and side to side in a way I understand. Buts that's me 😉🤣. We tried a spirit level but that was beyond me! If someone tells me left hand down when I'm reversing it goes wrong 😱 simple human and even more simple!

    I think it's great that someone gives thought to things - this eventually brings about useful solutions. Carry on enjoying finding solutions, patent them hopefully you'll make a fortune. I admire you 

     

  • eribaMotters
    eribaMotters Club Member Posts: 1,193 ✭✭✭✭
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    edited October 2021 #26

    The greatest aid to my caravan levelling has been the motor mover, which I use more often than not as it is the easiest way to get the van level. A spirit level across the van and a levelling ramp to hand make light work of across the van,then swing the level around so it runs along the van and then adjust corner steadies. It could not be easier.

     

    Colin