Diesel & petrol alternatives? Your thoughts please
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That's a reasonable and valid question, so let's break it down. I have three cars parked outside my house right now. Mine (EV), my wife's (PHEV), and my children's (One small petrol). I only have space for 2 on the drive, but could easily charge all three (if needed) with an extension lead. In fact, when the caravan is at home for loading / unloading that's exactly what happens with the wife's. In practice, on a usual day, one of the cars hardly moves. On average mine does perhaps 200 miles a week, the kids perhaps 50 and the wifes perhaps 30 (and yes we are thinking of consolidating - but thats another story). On those miles, mine needs 8 hours of charge per week at 7kW, the kids would need about 2hours and the wifes an hour. That can be done on a rotation across a single charger, or use a lower power slower charger for longer.
Our mileages may well be very low, (which I accept), but the average national commute is only about 35 miles a day. 35 Miles can be added in 4 hours (off peak) at 2.3Kw (10A) at home, or at a work place.
The point is - while a charger CAN charge at 7kW, it does not HAVE to. I can set my EV to charge at any rate between 32A (7.2kW) and 6A (1.3kW). My PHEV can be set at 6A, 8A or 10A.
When away in the caravan, I charge the EV at no more that 10A, when on a 16A feed to give some space to the caravan systems.
So the real question is, for any given car, what is it's actual use, and how fast does it really need to charge? If I plug in at say 10PM (or rather set my car to start charging at 10pm), and it finishes before 7:30am, do I care if was 7KW and finished adding 100 miles at 2am or 3.6kW and finished at 6am? Not at all. If my DNO said I could only have one 7kW fast charger, I would still have no problem running 3 or even 4 cars from home each doing 200 miles a week.
HGV and planes are another question, as is shipping and plant machinery. Though there are efforts in all those areas right now.
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And is that against guidelines ED? And just because you have an issue with 'sir' and classrooms, or how people post, does that mean you can make personal attacks to discredit what people are saying with a reference to their jobs? Why not post just with a rational counter point?
Nice to know you're thinking about me though?
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Yes, I am fortunate to have space. The question that was asked was on the presumption of parking lots of cars at one house, not on the orthogonal but also entirely valid issue of not having home charging available.
I was pointing out that _if_ you have home charging available, it is possible to charge multiple cars for serval hundreds of miles range per week, without stressing the local infrastructure to the tune or 64A or more per house, but that perhaps even 16A per house is sufficient (the equivalent of running the oven or immersion heater).
If you don't have off road parking for a car, that does not preclude home charging, but makes it more challenging, and if you cant charge outside your home at all (live in flat, have shared on street parking only, other issues) then its harder still, but some people do it today, perhaps though charging at work or public charging only. Situations vary.
The new crop of 800v based cars _can_ charge 10 to 80% in 15 to 20 mins. That's 150 to 200 miles in a Kia EV6 or Hyundai Ioniq 5, which would make public only charging entirely feasible for many (but not everybody).
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and you replied about me ED no going back over writing that, but I really quite touched I'm in your thoughts so much
Just one sir you saluted to, you must have had high a higher rank than I thought!
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Are you in a marketing type of work ? because that is the way your posts come over, instead of a real world scenario. That many of us live in,
,In ours and many others in the country, to be able to get near to our house to park would be a miracle in itself, ,we are very lucky as we have a garage at the end of our garden(rented)that I could use
Being retired when neighbours and their offspring who are still at home because off the cost of properties In our area (one property has five vehicles including works vans ,have vacated the road then I could park and charge an LV as long as the LA were not adverse to cables running over public footpaths
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I think Choc Trees writes a lot of sense. He’s clearly very knowledgeable and more in the 'real world' than a lot of us. Personally, I respect his views and input here.
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Zap Map shows one option near to me. The infrastructure is far from ready for full electric and particularly on a tow vehicle. As a run-around car it would be nonstarter for me - pun not intended. We use a 21 year old Yaris for that and will replace with a three or four year one when the time comes or similar.
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No, I am in technical engineering in the computer networking industry. In my work life I think of myself as a problem solver and pioneer of new technology. Finding solutions and relaying positive outcomes is my job. That undoubtedly spills over here (just as it does everywhere else in my life)
My posts are all based on personal experience or referenceable material on line. I am pretty sure I live in the same real world as everybody on the forum, though our individual circumstances and view will be different.
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Pardon? 🤔
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It looks like the forum had a partial post issue with your post (not the first time the club forum has had issues!). I only saw part of your post as TinWheeler did.
Apologies to all if I come across as condescending or teaching grannies to suck eggs. That is not my intention. I do want to share my experience of being in the very small minority of folks who actually tow a full sized van with an EV, bust some of the myths and call out the FUD that has been propagated around EVs for a long time. And I do tend to call out BS when I come across it.
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You don’t do the condescending thing CTrees, you are refreshingly honest & open. A lot of posts on this forum uses ‘Frank down the pub’ as a factual source with a strong leaning to BS as back up unfortunately. Someone posting facts is a shock, someone posting verifiable facts is practically unheard of. Some of us find it refreshing, many find it new & unnerving. Just keep on keeping on👍🏻😊
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JV, you know, the forum software will not allow me to edit a quote and I quoted your post exactly as it was at the time I composed my post. I assumed you edited after I hit the quote button.🤷🏻♂️
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Yes I read what you said in the post before, but if you only saluted one sir, that must make you higher than I thought
why does the 'senior service' salute in that 'funny' way?Anyway OT enough.
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There’s nothing to apologise for. You have knowledge that most of us lack and I’m finding your posts factual and enlightening. My eyes are opening to the possibilities👍🏻
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Probably foot of the wind turbine rather than the coal face ;-)
Whilst the national grid, and power generation is in very good shape, the DNOs do have a challenge, as do we all. But EVs may well be part of the solution. One of the benefits of EVs (that is in its infancy - but on the cusp of broader acceptance) is the capability for Vehicle to Grid. That is the ability to use energy in your car battery to power your home or feed the grid in peak hours, to be replenished when demand is low. It saves you (the consumer) money, and assists both the local and national infrastructure.
The country still has 8 years before the end of sale of new ICE cars, and in my experience, 8 years is a very long time in technology...
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There is nothing wrong with posts that give a different .take on subjects and if you like to think "Frank down the Pub" is as in touch as you would like,?
There are Many retired highly qualified people drink in pubs ,called Frank? And It would be a much poorer society without them
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Certainly not by me as it's impossible but let's not detract further from the topic.
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