Speeding Survey
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BB, you are saying what I said further back the thread. I also used the term 'carrot and stick', made similar suggestions for enforcement and concluded that each was fraught with difficulty.
We're no further forward in identifying a remedy.😕
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"I not sure the current (or even ongoing) design of layout of CC sites is clearly satisfying the wishes of huge numbers of folk who tour here.".
Well, of course, we can only surmise, but it seems to me anyway that the fact that this is a clear trend in UK Sites indicates that folk who tour here are, at least, satisfied with that. Most of the criticism comes from folk who tour largely in Europe and have seen things done differently there. Doesn't make it better, just different and I've no idea what is happening to new or refurbished sites there.
As far as speeding is concerned, and it has been raised several times before, it appears to be happening even on a club site whose layout David says he's happy with.
So, maybe layout, maybe road surface, whatever, it is down to individual behaviour and, like other forms of rule breaking, should be dealt with effectively, but I'm not about to suggest how that can happen!
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I have an old battle scar on my caravan from a sleeping policeman on a site in Spain, Camping Oyambre, not advocating the club introduce them, maybe they have on some sites?, but they do work I can assure you, very difficult to judge just where your rear end is going to scrape on a large caravan unless you are very very careful
, but have seen them on some sites overthere,large trees overhanging the road is another, you are never quite sure just how low the branches are, again seen many times overthere, Camping Eden is a classic they even have them on pitches and often catch out the unwary.
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Your last para sums it up, M. It's the responsibility of the individual and there is no excuse whatsoever for speeding. To blame it on site roads is just an attempt to shift the blame.
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BB wrote "of course, it need balls to throw people off site...."
You should know that ball games are not allowed.
Seriously though, as CAMC are not short of paying customers on site, it does seem strange that they are reluctant to employ the ultimate sanction. Perhaps it is the absence of statistical data to confirm transgression and reliant on subjective assessment.
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I can see the difficulties and arguments involved in withdrawing someone’s membership, or restricting their site use CY.
However, "Ultimate sanction" - really? I thought the death penalty had been abolished.😱
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No problem. I was happy to help Rufs out👍🏻
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I think apart from on here and when site visit members complain amongst them selves ,unless any site staff actually see the transgressor going to fast ,it is very rare that it is brought to the notice of staff on sites ,When we were on a club site in Kent recently the site manager aproached at least two that had past our pitch at speed to "advise them if they did not understand which part of 5mph was it" and one who also thought the one way system did not apply to them
Speed humps on site it seems only apply to the first two sets of wheels as it is quite apparent that the trailer is imune,and that also seems to apply to any thing on the motor caravans hook as well
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perhaps it's just us British that think all those (scores of) signs dont apply to us, whereas the Continentals seem to drive carefully (on site!) without that proliferation.
I don’t think that is totally the case. Although we haven't used a lot of larger sites over there. In France we favour the smaller municipal type ones, often with gravel roads, or lots of twists and turns plus overhanging trees. On the larger sites with nice smooth tarmac we have certainly observed speeding and not by UK nationals.
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In my time using C&MC sites I never witnessed a single site speeder, unless I shared every site I used with overseas visitors🤔, mmmm, that must be it👍🏻
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According to an earlier post by Ruffs? he had noticed speed humps on continental sites ,Why would they need them?
How often do drivers? take notice of the one way /no entry signs in carparks anywhere
I think if caught vandalising sites which is criminal damage is a bit different to a bit of speeding? but site managers now have the authority to withdraw membership if needed ,which also would entail being asked to leave
I think it happened recently on a cc site near us? although the ccc site in the area was their next stop
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I think you do JK and wardens in general a disservice. Of course they can’t be all seeing but when out and about grass cutting, bin emptying etc they will be aware of what's going on around them. Even when in reception, there are windows to see out of.
I'm not a doubter but I have to say I think you overstate the case regarding the number of speeders.
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" ...while Steve may well have seen the occasional one, he makes mention (again) of the influence of site design on speed...."
"Actually, what Steve said" (
) was"In France we favour the smaller municipal type ones, often with gravel roads, or lots of twists and turns plus overhanging trees."
implying, I'd have thought (again) that road surface as well as layout and environment were equally relevant.
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Having a great holiday at Upper Wharfedale Site near Grassington but it’s become a racetrack. It’s a lovely site but it’s good there are not many young children here at present as the speed many drive round is dangerous. I spoke with the warden but accept thar there is not much he can do. Perhaps people should be given a clear message on arrival at all sites . I know some will not care or take any notice . A few years ago I recall that children were killed by vehicles on club sites and perhaps new members just don’t appreciate the danger. There do seem to be a lot of people who are new to caravaning and presumably new the CAMC.
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perhaps new members just don’t appreciate the danger.
Some folk I am afraid just don’t have any sense. A couple of weeks ago we were overtaken in our MH on a fairly busy motorway, whilst diving in the inside lane at just over 60 mph, by a 4x4 and large caravan. They were about a cars length off the back bumper of a van in front, so would have had no warning of anything happening in front. I have no doubt that if everything had suddenly come to a halt, as sometimes happens, they would have swerved in front of me. How you get over to folk like that the concept of their actions potentially being dangerous to others, I have no idea.
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According to HMG stats in the last 10 years more kids have been killed and injured by lightening strikes than on campsites and that number is vanishingly small. In reality the risk to kids from traffic on campsites is virtually non-existent despite those that exceed the speed limit.
One question does cross my mind though. What was the proportion of Motorhome speeders in comparison to car drivers / tuggers?
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LLM, it is totally irreverent how many children are injured by lightning strikes, as there is little club members can do about that, although some appear to think they can. Members can stick to the set speed limit on site, and should do so, as one injured or killed child, or adult for that matter, caused by a speeding vehicle is one too many.
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"One question does cross my mind though. What was the proportion of Motorhome speeders in comparison to car drivers / tuggers?"
Now that is totally irrelevant, unless, of course you are trying to resurrect the rather tiresome old MHers v caravanners arguement.
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I suppose there is an element of relevance. In our case if I was a speeder (which I’m not) I would only be speeding when I arrived and left. As the van does not normally move. Where as the car driver might speed in between arrival / departure.😀
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