Assessing Future Requirements

mickysf
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edited May 2021 in UK Campsites & Touring #1

So our club have/will be making decisions regarding the future needs of us members and making some, possible, radical changes. We are told that the club will be carrying out some renewed research in 2021 after the covid pandemic halted its efforts in 2020. Firstly I ask how this consultation will take place and secondly, who will be included in this research? I’d like to think that all ‘sectors’ of our wonderful pastime will be proportionately represented, not on historical grounds, but on the future needs of current and possibly potential members alike.

As a member of the motorhome sector I’d like to think that the club continue to recognise that it is not one site but a whole network of what should be joined up sites. With this in mind I do hope it will be recognised that successive nights booking on different sites is equally valued as successive nights on one specific site. After all, our differing sectors touring needs can be different and in my view this needs to be recognised.
I’m sure there are other issues which need careful airing and it’s important we understand each other’s needs so let’s hear them so we can make educated responses when our thoughts are finally requested.

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  • mickysf
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    edited May 2021 #3

    That is certainly what we have experienced over the decades and I really do hope this understanding and provision will continue following the review we are promised, hence my post.

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited May 2021 #4

    If I can be a touch cynical, I think that ultimately they will go with whatever reaps the most income to be honest. In fairness, the Club does offer some rather unique selling points to Members, and hopefully will continue to do so, but once the demographics start to change, so might the terms and conditions. Gradual, and over long periods of time, but change it will, as bourn out by what’s happened over our long Membership. Businesses have to evolve to survive, in some ways I find the Club a bit slow to react to some things, but it’s still a worthwhile spend for us.

  • mickysf
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    edited May 2021 #5

    I don’t think this is a tad cynical, TtDA but if we are being told that a ‘consultation’ is to take place and this will determine the future of our club then I believe it is vitally important that we voice our opinions. The tricky part will be for those who will attempt to meet all of our sectors and stakeholders voices. I just trust that those involved will be in some way connected and in touch with the ‘membership’.

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited May 2021 #6

    I agree totally about being part of the consultation process, and that those who wish to get the chance to put forward their opinions, suggestions and ideas. It’s a Club reliant to a certain extent upon Membership fees, and paying customers might/will walk away if they don’t feel part of the process. 

  • DavidKlyne
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    edited May 2021 #7

    Don't forget that "Consultation" in Club terms is not always about asking the membership at large. It may involve a small sample of members, it may mean discussing it with the Club Council. A few years ago there were attempts to canvas member opinions after they visited a Club Site. Further back in the earlier days of Club Together there were surveys we were ask to complete but of late there does not seem to be much of that going on, at least in the public domain. That is why I found the format for the last AGM so interesting as it allowed members to pose questions and they got answers, perhaps not the ones they wanted but they got answers nonetheless!!! Although I personally found it disappointing that the number of questions was so low, 37, given the number of questions that come up on here for discussion!!!

    David

  • KeefySher
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    edited May 2021 #8

    CAMC is not a club, its a commercial enterprise.

    As in all commercial enterprises, when the leadership fail to listen, the personnel stop communicating, and invariably the business goes bust. twas ever, will ever be.tongue-out

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited May 2021 #9

    I second the point of the gentlelady from Sth Yorkshire, & suggest ‘money talks BS walks’👍🏻😊

  • peedee
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    edited May 2021 #10

    Although I personally found it disappointing that the number of questions was so low, 37, given the number of questions that come up on here for discussion!!!

    Would more questions have been repeats or close matches to the questions already asked? I think they covered pretty much all those debated here.

    peedee

  • JVB66
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    edited May 2021 #11

    How many times is it announced by so many organisations, that they will "have a consultation period for all those with an interest time to be involved?"

    Basically to say we have already decided but you can voice your opinion?

  • DavidKlyne
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    edited May 2021 #12

    Peedee

    That is of course possible but surely duplication of questions does help to reinforce the strength of feeling on a given subject? I could have asked more than one question but you obviously wanted everyone to have a fair crack of the whip. It was an ideal opportunity for members to ask questions and I still think that 37 was pretty low. My fear is that once the concerns of COVID hopefully melt away is that the Club will revert to the old style of AGM where you have to attend in order to ask a question. I think it is unrealistic to expect members to travel hundreds of miles to ask a question when it would be much easier to take the questions in advance, as they did in 2020, and provided the written answers after the meeting.

    David

  • JVB66
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    edited May 2021 #13

    I would expect that the timescale. ;and duplicated or near duplication of questions would be a major factor in culling some questions

    As for the amount that appear on here? when I think we all acknowledge that very few of the clubs membership post on CT some may lurk as do some site staffwink

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited May 2021 #14

    Agree with you about an online AGM. It’s the first one I have taken any real interest in. A better selection of attendees, not just those willing and able to travel long distances.

  • peedee
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    edited May 2021 #15

    I also agree with the ability to post on line questions for the AGM but to be more specific some may see the question they wanted to ask has already been made and think, ok, no point in duplicating I'll just watch for the answer.That is what I did.

    peedee

  • Cornersteady
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    edited May 2021 #16

    I wasn't really following the process for the Q&A so apologies for asking, so are you saying that there were only 37 questions actually asked? Only 37 people put forward questions? That one could see questions that could already have been asked? In which case you could be right.

    Or perhaps people in general are like me, they just don't care about AGMs and all that and just use club sites and either like what they see or not.