Motorhomes over 5.5 m Banned
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Only in certain car parks like service or lorry parks and MH can park there too. Coaches again usually have designated parking space in a certain part of a city or town. They certainly cannot go into a 'normal' car park.
But again it's up to the owner to decide what vehicles they let in.
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The OP also wants the local authority to change its policy. Nothing wrong in that, although I doubt it has been brought in out of spite against MH owners. More likely simple economics. To avoid blocking access roads, we would have to take up 3 / 4 spaces. Doesn’t take many doing that to fill up a car park. Tesco and other supermarkets don’t mind as we go in and spend £60 or so on food / wine. Not quite the same for the sea front car park.
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Not all MH-ers think like that. How many times have I said that it's my choice to drive a large vehicle so I must accept any limitations that brings? I'm not alone in holding that view. I don't demand special treatment and despair of the selfish element who do.
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Many carparks have spaces no more than 5.5m long - some far less. If you are able to park longer vehicles using two spaces it does not mean that you can then exit the spaces when vehicles are parked in other spaces as the distance between rows is also limited to allow exit by a max 5.5m long vehicle.
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"punch bag of the day"
If that means not agreeing with him / her then I suppose I am guilty. However, discussion and varying views are permitted on this forum. The OP should not have posted if they expected everyone to agree with them. They say the councils position is absurd, I don’t happen to think it is.
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an example of such 'rounding' would be useful?
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I cannot find that the LA is banning motor caravans specifically ?could it be that the legislation concerned is to assist in the ever growing illegal occupation by some, of areas/carparks included by those who would not have anything to "live"in under what the LA is banning especially if car parks do not have any security?
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From the link originally supplied by Easy, the document from East Suffolk Council refers to larger vehicles and campervans.
They obviously feel the need to specify campervans in particular while horse boxes, delivery vans, mini buses etc don’t warrant individual mention.
Perhaps we need to realise the clue is in the name 'car park'.
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Corners wrote "Actually as a caravaner I am limited to 60 mph on motorways and 50 mph on single carriageway roads so I should shout discrimination as certain MHs can go faster?"
That restriction is based on a safety consideration. I'm not entirely sure that it shouldn't also apply to motorhomes, if not camper vans. I feel happier at the slightly lower speeds apart from the fuel consumption considerations.
In answer to R2B & JVB, my "partisan" stance is not, I trust partisan but I am now obviously more aware of issue applying to motorhomes and this clearly reflects in my postings. The frustration is with the apparently increasing "you can't park here, there or anywhere" criteria. Provision for coaches has been mentioned but it is frequently not available to private vehicles of whatever dimensions. Both the motorhomes I have chosen have been of the slimmest dimensions I could find and both less than 6.5m in recognition of the need to be realistic in my parking requirements.
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With respect, CY, your posts very often appear partisan these days. For instance I’ve just seen you suggesting elsewhere that caravanners are more reluctant than MH-ears to use their own washrooms. It wasn't necessary to make that comparison. I use that merely as an example of the change in your posting style.
With regards to the size of MHs, I don’t consider my 6m van particularly realistic in terms of parking. There's no problem with us driving these vehicles providing we realise we are limiting our choices for parking and manoeuvring.
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Interesting thought.
We just returned from a trip to Skegness. Their council provide a car park for coaches and/or motorhomes by the train station, a little way out of the town. We paid the fee, used it and inconvenienced nobody. We had a space, council took our cash, we both are happy.
Now, in contrast, Seaford council (East Sussex) on the seafront will not allow motorhomes over a certain length (cannot remember the exact size) in the 'car parks' which are all roadside and mainly with no height barriers. BUT you can park whatever vehicle you want on the roadside on the seafront, outside local residents property and block their view of the seaside legally and for free. Seems the council policy 'forces' drivers of bigger vehicles to annoy local residents instead of allowing parking somewhere which would cause no inconvenience to locals.
My point is - when it comes to vehicle parking there seems to be no logic applied. If there was there wouldn't be height barriers at park and ride car park either. Who wants to drive a MH into a town if you can use P+R which is often made impossible due to height barriers.
All local authorities up and down the country should be called to task by a big powerful organisation such as the Club to provide and or advise on parking for these types of vehicles out of towns with P+R or public transport into towns or tourist attractions. We get somewhere legal and safe to park - win. Councils get a bit of revenue from us parking - win. Our vans are no longer polluting the air in the towns or blocking peoples views and parking spaces when parked up - win. Why can our local authorities not see this as a good idea? Banning the parking of these vehicles will not make them disappear, it just moves the problem elsewhere. If Europe can manage it - why can't we? (also applies to Aires but that's another topic..).
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I love it !
Folk buy a Motorhome then say that Club should demand that councils all across the land should provides parking for it. By right.
Dreamland.
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"All local authorities up and down the country should be called to task by a big powerful organisation such as the Club ........"
Sadly, this club only pays lip service to its MH membership and it certainly won't be lobbying for a cause which they perceive could reduce revenue.
Your case is well argued but unfortunately, the entrenched and blinkered attitudes of many in this club means we will have to press for action via other channels.
If you haven't already done so, have a look at the CAMpRA website and their FB page - they seem to be having some success, particularly in Scotland and Wales.
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TW wrote "With respect, CY, your posts very often appear partisan these days. For instance I’ve just seen you suggesting elsewhere that caravanners are more reluctant than MH-ears to use their own washrooms. It wasn't necessary to make that comparison."
It wasn't meant as a dig against caravaners. It was speculation at the reason for the ratio of caravans to motorhomes present on the site. Logic would suggest that closed facilities would mitigate against those with smaller bathrooms. I was just puzzled, that's all.
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Those members of CAMC who are enlightened and forward thinking have already realised this is not an area the club wishes to get involved in for the very reason you state, Jim. It has nothing to do with members' attitudes of any persuasion but MH parking and cheap overnight stays are issues outside of its business model.
Furthermore, the club has stated on more than one occasion that it is not a lobbying organisation so you are quite correct in stating any pressure will need to be applied from elsewhere.
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The more the attitude of some motor caravan owners,( although at this time a small it seems minority)with the attitude of "we have a motor caravan, we should have more facilities paid for by any one but us where ever we want to stop", no club or responsible organisation is going to put their head over the parapet ,to be in the firing line when the local population's ,as it seems is already happening ,start jumping up and down ,to reduce the impact of some on the local areas
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As posted before, MCs it seems as here ,will tend to congregate in areas that have local facilities ,to enable the vehicle to not needing to move once on site
Where caravans do not need to ,having a vehicle that can be used to go almost anywhere from all sites
I including just about any car parks
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"Now, in contrast, Seaford council (East Sussex) on the seafront will not allow motorhomes over a certain length (cannot remember the exact size) in the 'car parks' which are all roadside and mainly with no height barriers. BUT you can park whatever vehicle you want on the roadside on the seafront, outside local residents property and block their view of the seaside legally and for free. Seems the council policy 'forces' drivers of bigger vehicles to annoy local residents instead of allowing parking somewhere which would cause no inconvenience to locals."
Yes we still have this anomoly, plus today parking is free on the roadside. This annoys the hell out of the local residents who pay good money for apartments with sea views only to have some twin axled sunblocker park in front of them, the council will address this it is one of the key issues in the upcoming local elections
came across this yesterday, read most of the article which in fairness is not specific to MH's, but these sorts of headlines are becoming more of the norm, perhaps too many people doing staycations, but places over there, e.g. Spain are starting to clamp down on what can only be called unsociable behaviour.
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You're right, David, in that CAMC did join with other bodies in achieving the changes in proposed and actual policy both in caravan MOTs and the reduction in VED for MHs. I guess, in both cases, they perceived the legislation would reduce the number of LVs in use and thus reduce the club's income and saw it would be to the benefit of the club and members to help bring that reversal about. The overnight parking issue has the potential to similarly affect income so they sure aren't going to be in favour of it.
As to your last sentence, you may very well be correct. It's been said for years that CAMC is a business rather than a club in the spirit of the word and we all know tge reasons it won't take on the industry.
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It did indeed but I think there is a difference between lobbying parliament for a proposed national law (that was not supported by any political party) and lobbying each LA to provide MH parking spaces.
Wouldn't that be telling the LA how to run their own business model? Shouldn't local authorities be listening to their local residents rather than from a national organisation like the club?
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Is this all a bit of a storm in a tea cup? I have just read through some of the supposedly more informed reports about this ban. I would appear that the council is planning to ban MH's from some of its carparks, those less suited to large vehicles, and look at making dedicated spaces available in others. Not too unreasonable for a UK type attitude towards MH.
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