Amenity blocks closed until 17th May
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It's a PDF that Jamsdad was referring to in a quickly closed thread.
I'm not that bothered by toilet blocks opening dates but some seem to be in a frenzy about it.
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Some people must have a very boring life if that's there reading matter!!😁
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Thanks, WN, but that's all a bit much for Saturday evening entertainment😄 Like you, I won’t be affected by it anyway.
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This is the section that Jamsdad quoted, in part. He forgot the last little bit.....
Schedule.
(5) Holiday accommodation referred to in sub-paragraph (1) may continue to be provided if that accommodation is provided—
(a) in a campsite or caravan park, provided that the only shared facilities used by guests at the campsite or caravan park are washing facilities, toilets, water points and waste disposal points, or
(b) in separate and self-contained premises.
(6) Premises are separate and self-contained for the purposes of this paragraph only if—
(a)
(b)
they are provided for persons who are — (i) members of the same household, or
(ii) members of two households which are linked households in relation to each other, and
none of the following are shared with the members of any other household— (i) kitchens,
(ii) sleeping areas,
(iii) bathrooms, or
(iv) indoorcommunalareas.
(7) In this paragraph—
(a) a reception area is not to be treated as a shared facility for the purposes of sub-paragraph (5)(a), or an indoor communal area for the purposes of sub-paragraph (6)(b);
(b) “communal areas” includes in particular corridors, lifts and staircases used to access premises contained in part of a building, lounges or sitting areas.0 -
Us neither. You have to read the whole section to get the full picture. If a campsite offers private bathrooms, used by only one family or a linked household Ok, but not for general use by public.
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I think that's one Sir Humphrey would have been proud of. 😀
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PLEASE SEE
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2021/364/pdfs/uksi_20210364_en.pdf
I have just been reading the text of the new Coronovirus legislation passed by Parliament on 22 March.
Schedule 2 relates to arrangements in Stage 2 i.e on and after 12 April.
Paragraph 12 relates to holiday accommodation, and sub paragraph 5 relates specifically to caravan sites.
This is what it says: " Holiday Accommodation referred to in subparagraph 1 may continue to be provided a) in a campsite or caravan park, provided the only shared facilities used by guests at the campsite or caravan park are washing facilities, toilets, water points, and waste disposal points...
So the LAW clearly states that toilet blocks can be open.
I hope CMHC management have read this!!
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I don’t think .gov make decisions for C&MC jonsdad🤷🏻♂️
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It will then be down to C&MC to make the final decision. I remember the Govt thinking it was a spiffing idea to originally tell folk Christmas could be 5 day celebration then change it to 1-as if🤷🏻♂️. Your faith in .gov is both admirable & misplaced. You will find out soon, stress not👍🏻
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The details aren't at all clear and I can see why clarification has been sought by both clubs. I presume this is why other private sites are also not opening shared facilities except water and disposal points until May 16th.
Thanks for providing the links and details.
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The only thing I have been able to find for Wales, at the moment, is the following extract of a Councils instructions they say have been passed to them from the Wales Assembly.
I'm still delving into Wales legislation, wish me luck as I may be some time.
The extract does seem to leave no room for doubt that shower blocks and toilets should be kept closed.
From 27 March, self-contained holiday accommodation will be able to re-open to members of the same household or support bubble within Wales.
Self-contained accommodation includes:
Hotels and other serviced accommodation (e.g. B&Bs, hostels, etc.) that do provide en-suite rooms and can provide room service meals.
Other accommodation that is entirely self-contained (e.g. self-catering cottages, apartments, etc.)
Glamping or any other accommodation with ensuite shower/bath, WC and kitchen facilities
Holiday caravans, touring caravans (including seasonal), motorhomes and campervans where they have their own on-board shower, WC and kitchen facilities
Caravan & touring sites will need to ensure the strict application of industry guidance on shared waste disposal and water points.All shared facilities, aside from water and disposal points, will remain closed including toilets, shower blocks, laundry, nightclubs, swimming pools
Bars, restaurants and cafes can operate a take-away service only.
For the next two weeks, travelling in and out of Wales for leisure purposes is still not possible, therefore holiday providers are urged not to take bookings from outside Wales until 12 April at the earliest.
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I and my OH have both "pondered" over the content of what has been posted and although "difficult" to work through ,we have come to the conclusion that a campsite can open facilities if they are seperate and are to only to be used by be used by a "bubble" of family or close family? but not if that is not the case ,as they would be classed as shared public facilities which will be allowed from 17th May?
Our take on it , as it seems both clubs at present , facilities can be open for those stayng on site and visitors to those staying on site if they are the only ones using such ,ie pods on some sites that are for the sole use of that pitch occupier
Para 5 as you quote, is then clarified in Para 6
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I admit I haven't read this legislation- years of having to interpret legislation at work has left me averse to do so now. However, the large touring site where our static van is has said that their governing body has advised them they cannot open the facilities on the 12th April. So all tourers must use their own facilities.Also a local site here has said no facilities can be opened then. I can't imagine they have all interpreted the rules wrongly.
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At the end of the day, irrespective of which interpretation of the legislation is correct, if a site owner chooses not to open facility blocks, that's the end of it.
Along with the clubs, many commercial and privately owned sites have stated they are not opening facility blocks and I can't say I blame them as they have insurance issues to consider as well as legislation.
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It’s not an easy read, such documents seldom are, but it’s for the safety of the majority. I am sorry for those who might have to wait a little longer for Club Site facilities to open, but sure at some point it will happen. At least we know the Club is sensitive to the requirements of its Members, and will do its best to accommodate as many as possible, as it did last year.
Private sites, and CLs will probably do as last year, make their own minds up as to what best suits their circumstances. We toured last year and things were mixed, Club facilities open with controls, other places were use onboard facilities only, some Sites chose not to open at all. We shall have to wait and see what this year brings around the country, but we are following that old Scout motto “be prepared”👍
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I am guessing they are JV, providing a service for essential workers.
But it’s not a good comparison, the usage isn’t likely to be as great as on a camp site, and motorway service stations have dedicated cleaners whose sole role is to clean all day long in one capacity or another, probably on an extremely low wage. HGV drivers don’t usually have showers in their trucks either as an alternative, and it’s possibly an essential service to keep them focussed, awake and fresh.
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I have just recieved a reply from "my friend" and he seem to think the document issued on 22nd is just a "hard copy" of what is part of the roadmap out of this lockdown ,he has spoken to "someone" but will advise me if there is anything new? but does not expect it has changed ,from first implimented
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It must infuriate the leisure industry when the contents of a government document is written so badly, what happened to the campaign for "Plain English?!" My reading of it, after several attempts, is no shared facilities for anyone unless it's for the sole use of a family group or "bubble."
I wonder who is right on the this one?
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The bit of the document you have noted is abit short on substance as it only shows what Jamsdad would like it to be the whole document .
May well be a "talking point " tomorrow when " my friend " as tinny would say ,speaks to his other colleagues to get a definitive answer?
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Why are you dragging me into this, JV? I've not mentioned your friend at all. That's a figment of your imagination.
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Even stranger .... Mrs M has just read something on the ITV news website which seems to suggest that owners of "second homes" will be allowed to travel and stay in such from tomorrow? Don't know their source, but if true it suggests a certain amount of confusion in .gov land!
(Mind you, she has had a couple of glasses of the red stuff this evening so might be a tad confused herself, poor old girl!
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