Amenity blocks closed until 17th May

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  • NutsyH
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    edited March 2021 #32

    No and we dont take showers on caravan sites. We use our own facilities. The point is that HMG are not being consistent.

  • NutsyH
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    edited March 2021 #33

    We have always used our own facilities, even before Covid. I am just making the point of inconsistent Government decisions.

  • harryb
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    edited March 2021 #34

    Cyberyacht wrote,

    " I also doubt that we wills a price adjustment for reduced facilities either. Not that the SD gives us any idea what the fees are though. I'm still waiting for the promised printed price list. Perhaps someone can report this post as a reminder to HO."

    Whilst difficult to gauge a price perhaps a ballpark figure of £3 - £4 based on the add on price for a child. Last year we were given a £3 per night discount at a commercial site because their facilities were closed. So it can be done.

    As for the price list supplement I asked in early January and was put on a waiting list. Thinking they'd forgotten I again enquired in February. I was told they could see I was on the list but the price lists would be sent out when the club received them. How long does it take? It'll soon be Xmas 

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited March 2021 #35

    People utilise or not the facilities in their vans, for a variety of reasons. Indeed, onboard facilities can vary, both in size and quality, so under normal circumstances I can quite see why some do, and some don’t use onboard.

    Not normal circumstances though, far from it. Govt advice cant cherry pick individual holiday providers, (that place open, that place not etc...) so it has to be general guidance, like much of what we have endured this last year. Hopefully it won’t be for long, and others who do experience difficulty with onboard facilities can then have a holiday. Let’s keep fingers crossed that all does go as well as expected this time around🤞

  • JVB66
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    edited March 2021 #36

    I had an Email from Grant Shapps yesterday, asking if there is anything he can assist with that may be affecting us at this time both nationaly and locally? (local  May elections?) 

    I have replied asking if he will bring it up in cabinet? before sites open in April if there can be some consistancy as to the opening of facilities on sites that have them as it was working after last years lockdown ,and  with the cleaning regimes in place ,were much safer to use than what has been agreed to open so far

  • LLM
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    edited March 2021 #37

    As far as I can see the reasons for not opening facilities blocks and other such indoor areas are fairly simple.

    Last summer the then prevalent variant struggled to transmit in the warm, fresh, dry air and the numbers tumbled.  Once the latter part of autumn came and we moved into winter the more transmissible Kent variant thrived in the warm, moist air in enclosed spaces and was able to spread quickly and easily.  Remember how well it did on just one day at Xmas. 

    Even now fleetingly passing a person in the street you are very unlikely to infect or be infected.  Now move into a nice warm moist facility where you may be in contact with the aerosol born virus or the nice damp surfaces on which it has settled and stay there for prolonged periods the chance of being infected by the very transmissible current variant rises considerable. 

    We have adequate facilities in our MH and will use them rather than risk those on site until the scientists and HMG say otherwise.  However, as an ex tugger I do feel for those who have to fill containers every day whereas with our large on board tanks we can last much longer. 

  • moulesy
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    edited March 2021 #38

    "I had an Email from Grant Shapps yesterday, asking if there is anything he can assist with that may be affecting us at this time both nationaly and locally? "     

    He's responsible for transport isn't he? Maybe you could ask him to persuade Boris to save the billions he wants to invest on the bonkers idea of a bridge/tunnel across the Irish Sea and use the money saved to give front line NHS staff the sort of pay rise they deserve! yell

  • LLM
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    edited March 2021 #39

    And while he is at it he could scrap HS2 and the tunnel under Stonehenge.  wink

  • JVB66
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    edited March 2021 #40

    That at the moment is a bit of "blue sky thinking?" he would do better taking notice of what it seems many experts are saying and cancel HS2  which would give plenty of money back into the coffersundecided

  • moulesy
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    edited March 2021 #41

    Yep, that too - go on, give your mate Grant a call! 👍

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited March 2021 #42

    He’s the perfect person to contact about such a dilemma. Just check which persona he is using first though........🤔

    To paraphrase.....”I love the smell of [elections] in the morning”😂

  • LLM
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    edited March 2021 #43

    "blue sky thinking?"  Not deep water dreaming then? laughing

  • Wherenext
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    edited March 2021 #44

    One could similarly ask why people who “pay a fortune” for these facilities in their outfit do not stay exclusively on non-facility sites?

    A&J if you are talking about CAMC non facility sites then the answer is easy. They keep closing them and don't bother replacing them plus they are few and far between. Happy to use them when they are available in the area I want to visit.

    However, I am happy to continue to use the CL sites with or without such facilities. Many of us do.

    Last year I used 1 CAMC site and 1 Independent and used our own facilities.

    In a normal year I would say each to their own but in the case of reducing possible transmission of this virus then using one's own facilities is not a hardship if only until we return to some form of normality.

  • Kasspa
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    edited March 2021 #45

    Yes, I posted on the thread 'When can we use our Vehicles' on 2nd March highlighting the inconsistencies....

    I'm happy using onboard facilities, however using shower blocks does save the need to visit MSP to refill & offload waste water during a stay.

    It is funny that at the start of this COVID pandemic we were told that Coronaviruses don't like 'soap & water' & I was therefore happy to use shower block facilities on site with their 'reduced' usage capacity.....

    Now, that doesn't seem to apply undecided

  • LLM
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    edited March 2021 #46

    Just received this from one of our booked sites.

    Greetings from REDACTED.

    As you are probably aware, the government have recently announced their COVID-19 ‘roadmap’ which gives us a provisional opening date of 12th April 2021.  Although we’re able to welcome campers from this date, sadly we won’t be able to open any shared facilities (showers, toilets, washing-up areas, etc.) until at least 17th May  Again, this is only a provisional date as set out in the roadmap. 

    Because you’re booked to stay with us during this period, we are reaching out to enquire as to whether you have your own facilities and can self-contain in your unit.  If this is the case and you are still happy to visit us for your current dates, please respond to this email or call our office on the number below to let us know you're still coming. 

    If you do not have your own facilities, we will instead look to move your booking to another date after 17th May when (government permitting) our facilities will re-open.  To get your booking moved, again please respond to this email or call our office on the number below. 

    Please note:

    We are already extremely busy for the May half term and school summer holidays so if you need to move your booking, it is unlikely we’ll be able to accommodate you during these periods.  If you aren’t able to visit us during term-time, we can instead move your booking to our 2022 season. 

    We look forward to hearing from you soon. 

    Kind regards

    Personal, helpful and pleasant.

  • JVB66
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    edited March 2021 #48

    Been there with that conversation and the reply was (at the time)there are thousands of people working on the HS2 sites and in the supply chain ,boosting our fragile, at this time ,economyundecided

    but he also knows my thoughts,,on the subjectsurprised

  • Wherenext
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    edited March 2021 #49

    I'm probably on my own here but my ideal site would be one with no facilities but with fully serviced pitches

    Ernie There are quite a few CLs that do exactly that.  I don't know if you use CLs at all but we have stayed on a few, some excellent, some not taking the word "fully" to its maxim.

    Might be worth checking out the "Sticky" under the CL section of this forum for Serviced pitches CLs. Just make sure they are H/S if that is a requirement.

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  • peedee
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    edited March 2021 #52

    That is too much out of the box thinking for the Club. frown

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  • Rufs
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    edited March 2021 #53

    Yes got similar from site we will be visiting, only differance being is the site we will be using has quite a few tenting pitches and they advised that these will be closed, but even if you have own facilities but do not want to use them you could have a full refund, credit note valid for 12 months or you could book new dates, perfect, so you dont need to be a member of the CAMC if you do not wish to run the risk of loosing your deposit, many commercial sites are now offering many different options all that i can see are very customer friendly laughingwe  are off,svcd pitch booked so no problems 4th May thru 18the May laughing

  • JVB66
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    edited March 2021 #54

    The arguments for/against chargable facilitie blocks has  ,i understand ,,been looked at 

    For ,   it may make for cheaper pitches? 

    Against     to gain acess would need a code/key and it is quite often noted how often when the building is so accessed,the ammount of those who forget the code or their key,and some kind person lets them inundecided

  • LLM
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    edited March 2021 #55

    Surprising how it seems to work so well on many commercial sites.  Why do you think that is John?

  • Footos
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    I for one don't mind paying for a campsite with fantastic facilities that i am not allowed to use frown come the magic date of April 14. Firstly, i am actually able to go away on holiday while most of UK are not allowed or equipped to do so. Secondly our CAMC has been financially battered by C19 restrictions (closed for what seems like forever by the scourge of C19), so staying on site without the public areas open (temporarily) will be a great boost for the club whilst being a small inconvenience for me. I will happily swap the luxury of quality showers and washroom and toilet facilities for the luxury of taking a break and that also supports our club. If you think outside the box the club needs to pay for itself, and if it doesn't we all lose the luxury of quality reliable campsites.

    And by the way, i don't work for the club and i am a normal paying member of the club. We should all remember - something is better than nothing!

  • moulesy
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    edited March 2021 #57

    Thinking back, over 40+ years of touring first in tents then in vans, I can't remember a single commercial site with chargeable facilities, let alone "many". Are you referring to UK Sites or those in other places? undecided

  • LLM
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    edited March 2021 #58

    You are right.  I was referring (badly) to how the security control systems work.  We have used many sites that have some form of access control for whatever reason.  Such systems do work and could be applied to control use only by those that have paid for access.  I'm not advocating nor supporting paying separately use of facilities.  

  • MikeyA
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    edited March 2021 #59

    Using the same logic of paying full price for a reduced provision, will you support your local pub by paying for a pint and happy to accept a half? 

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  • Cornersteady
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    edited March 2021 #61

    Not really the same. The price of a pint will be displayed and yes you would rightly feel cheated if you received less when your pint arrived.

    However if the pub openly displayed the fact that the for the price of a pint you would only receive half then it's your decision to pay that price or walk away before ordering. The price and what you will get is there for you to see. No one is being cheated, no one is being forced to buy, it's your choice to buy.

    But by the same token, or logic, if will be clear (and yes it will be) that the site facilities are closed but the price is what it was, then again it is your choice to pay and stay under those conditions or go somewhere else I would say?