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Define “they” to me please🤷♀️
Is that individual “they”, CL Owners Group “they”, or the whole CL network “they”?
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Does that mean that in your world I am not allowed to question the CL owners about electric costs. As it is such a big concern to then then they should answer. Also I am asking them and not you.
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On page 7 of the thread the OP stated that whilst some people may only use £2/3 worth of electrics a heavy user might use as much as £8. My own little experiment, which you responded to and I have quoted you, would suggest that our own use per day in cold weather would be in the region of £5+ if we didn't supplement the supply with gas. In the morning when having showers I do sometimes run on both as gas gives a faster water heating as I don't wan't Margaret to suffer a cold shower
Obviously there will be a big difference between summer and winter so if a CL or campsite don't adjust their prices to account for the extra cost that suggests they are subsidising people who use their sites in the winter. Some may see things in the round but if I was a CL owner I would certainly think about adding a £2/3 surcharge with perhaps the option of a £2 reduction if someone didn't use electrics at all? Perhaps CL owners don't look at things in such detail but when they look at their end of year figures would they not be tempted just the increase their general price?
David
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Not necessarily. According to OED.......
“They” most often turns singular in common usage when its antecedent is considered generic, not referring to a single known person
Either way, I don’t think you are going to get a definitive response from any CL owner, as every CL business model tends to be very different. I don’t think it’s because it’s a massive secret, some mystery never divulged to mere visitors, more because it something that isn’t easily quantified, and might vary season by season, year by year.
Most visitors will probably base their chosen stay on an overall cost per night, rather than an in depth analysis of a business plan, surely🤷♀️
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As for your second paragraph is that right.
As for the 3rd paragraph I would like to hear from a CL owner not someone who does not know the answer trying to guess
As for the 4th I didn’t want an in depth business plan just to know how much of the cost of a pitch goes to electric use.
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There are plenty of CLs with their own email addresses printed in the SD or available on the club's CL pages. Why don't you select a few and email them personally asking them for a breakdown of there charges and then should they wish to give that information you'll have your answer in private. They may not wish to publish the breakdown on here for all who look in to see.
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That is a question that would be how much it costs to run a CL without the cost of the electicity and stil have some money left over for future repairs/investment to keep it open
What costs wold you think a CL owner has? not prices just what it needs to keep running
As DK posted how much it cost him with just his heating on low
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It’s nothing to do with my world and nothing to do with what's allowed. You posted an open question not specifically addressed to anyone so, being a forum, you must accept there will be responses from anyone who wishes to reply.
Personally, I think your probing is way out of order but that's only my opinion and CL owners might be very happy to discuss their operating costs with you but you cannot force a response from them.
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Thankyou, Nellie, for that helpful suggestion. Ted's own email address can be found quite easily from this thread. 👍🏻
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If I was using a CL in summer at £15/night inc EHU, I don't think a £5/night increase in winter for the additional electricity is too excessive.
However the problem the CL would have is we are now approaching low season Club site prices. During the Winter and assuming location is similar I would chose a Club site for the site roads and less chance of a mud bath.
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It is a very hypothetical question that would be dependant on how much per year it costs (forever rising)to run the CL in the first place ,as it would depend on electric usage which is as others have said (how long is a piece of string)
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Mikey, your comments such as “mud bath” show scant respect for the efforts and substantial outlay that many CL owners give to their Sites.
It’s only because lots of CLs choose to invest in their Sites, and stay open during the Winter months, that it is fairly easy to tour in Winter. Many of the Club’s own Sites close, or have a shortened season, with few staying open beyond early November. Choosing a Club Site over a CL in some areas (Cornwall for example) just isn’t possible.
Edit: you of course could do neither, as you aren’t a Member😉
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So you'd get a very precise electricity costing which would help your investigation.
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No matter how well a CL/CL is tended there is always the possibility that a period of wet weather will turn a idyllic site into a swamp. Our own lawn is currently very wet and I try not to even walk on it.
As CL/CS only normally have a choice of 5 pitches which may not be all hardstanding there is a greater chance that the pitch you are given/chosen will not be pristine in wet conditions, There are 5 van sites that we have been to previously that we would risk in Winter but equally others we would not.
As we very rarely ever revisit a CS/CL ( or a even a Club site) we tend to shy away from risking an unknown 5 van site in Nov - Feb. However we would visit an unknown Club site during the same period.
For your info, a "Club site" can also refer to a site run by the "friendly club" Who knows if we are desperate in the future we may rejoin the CAMC but don't hold your breath!
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DT one way of obtaining a rough idea would be to compare the cost per night of open all year CLs. Those with EHU and those without.
Unless a CL owner has separate metering of the CL it would not be easy for them to monitor CL electric usage.
From my own personal experiences of using metered pitches, in summer months it can cost less than £1 a day and in winter it can be the same if I use gas for heating and I don't use the electric kettle. My average consumption without electric heating is about 4Kw per day of which the fridge uses the most.
I'll add I think we are fairly low users of electric. We do not have every electrical appliance under the sun. We cook using gas, lighting is LEDs, TV is 12v and we do not use supplementary heating devices. About the only extra significant electical appliance we have that didn't come with the van is a hair dryer and that is not used that often.
peedee
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Thank you for all your comments. I have taken your feedback on board (and adapted the website) and I hope you have had an opportunity to see life from the 'other side of the fence'.
There are a couple of outstanding issues that I am happy to answer, but otherwise, it seems this discussion has run its course and will be prone (as many CT discussion do) to run off-topic.
Electricity Costs. These will vary from CL to CL and whether they run from a Domestic or Business account. All I can tell you is that on my CL, where I don't charge in the summer months, but do charge for more than 10kWh in the winter months, the rate is .22p per unit. This includes Climate Levy (which is on all business accounts) and is the cheapest rate I can achieve.
Glamping Pods. Some CL owners have installed these on their property as they are very popular and provide an alternative income stream with a relatively high ROI. My understanding is that pods would not be allowed to be sited on the designated CL area (the area controlled by the Club) as they would be in position for more than 28 days. The CL owners that I am aware of that have installed any form of Pod have sought the appropriate Planning Permissions and informed the Club.
Generally, I think that members are very supportive of complementary accommodation as they can then invite friends and relatives to holiday with them.
The 2021 season
CL owners look forward to welcoming members owning Campervans, Motorhomes, Trailer Tents and Caravans as soon as we are allowed to open after these ghastly (but necessary) lockdowns. Hopefully, Owners will 'weather the storm' both financially and mentally, but I would not be surprised if a number decide that it is time for them to close their gates for good.
The Owners Group aims to offer support to those who are felling the strain, and encourage new owners to set up a CL for the benefit of all members.
Again, thank you for all your feedback on this thread. I will not be following this discussion further as I simply don't have time, but you are welcome to email me directly if you wish a particular point clarified. ted@clsiteowners.co.uk
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Ted, I'm pleased to see the website has been amended with regard to one night stays by MHs but it shouldn't have needed posters here to point out the term used was anti-customer and far from friendly.
Btw, I still will not use any CL that attempts to penalise me for staying only one night as part of a tour and, note, I do not wildcamp.
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