COVID - general discussion - Temp Locked
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You may well be right AD although there has been no suggestion of this as yet. They were also told that a cup of takeaway tea / coffee that they had with them was deemed to be a picnic. If takeaway establishments are allowed to be open where is one supposed to consume ones drink? The photos of the ladies suggest that they had not even sat down to consume the drinks. The logical extension of this illogical, ridiculous claim is that one can't eat a sweet whilst walking.
I'm normally a great supporter of the police but they are going the right way to make me rethink why I do support them. I know they have a very difficult job but surely they could make life a bit easier for themselves by them or those above them handing down instructions using common sense.
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Brie, it's my fault for not making myself clear.
I have no problems finding what I need from normal supermarkets. I use specialist shops but only for things like flour.
5 years ago I couldn't buy a sausage without wheat in it. Now Tesco, Sainsbury, M&S etc stock normal sausages and use rice flour etc. Just have to make sure I get the right ones but don't trust pickets to check for things like that.
Same for a lot of products.
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That suggestion that a take away coffee constituted a picnic is symptomatic of the entire farce surrounding the laxness of the current rules.
So, I could drive to our local canal and sit angling for 4 or 5 hours, presumably taking a flask and some sarnies with me and that's OK - that qualifies as exercise. But if I drive to a nearby village and take the dogs for a long walk, stop half way round for a coffee and a bite of lunch by the village pond - how would that be viewed?
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Still quite a few folks thinking it’s ok to travel to Devon & Cornwall for their exercise. Police called to 250 breaches this weekend accounting for 1/3 of their workload - most incidents relating to second homes. Police numbers heavily depleted due to CV and related issues, so could be doing much better things with their time.
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Especially when neighbouring Nottingham says they won't take the same approach as Derbyshire?
I also fully agree with your last paragraph, we have 'policing by consensus' here and as you say I am, and most people are, happy to help and support them.
They more they do of this taking the law into their hands or interpreting the law and silly remarks about a picnic the less that support will be.
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Most folks are using common sense, or attempting to stay within the spirit of doing the right thing. Like many others, we live very close to a County Border, and can easily stroll out of it. Back when case rates were low, we did the odd drive out, picnic in car, walk where we hardly saw a soul, and if we did, it was in the distance. We have Parks and green spaces around us, but far too busy at moment, so we drive to Woods a couple of miles away, linking it with a shop for milk or fresh veg. We don’t see a soul up there, feel a lot safer.
We aren’t even out on our bikes at moment, have deemed this too high a risk, so sorted out up in attic on rollers. Traffic is far heavier this lockdown as well. We will review the situation in a few weeks time, hoping cases come down enough. I fear our rates will rise further here first though. I can’t help thinking that the country is paying for too lenient a Christmas now sadly. At least it wasn’t as lenient as it could have been.
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"Still quite a few folks thinking it’s ok to travel to Devon & Cornwall for their exercise."
Not guilty, Bill! In fact we've been in almost constant touch with our neighbours since we came home on December 10th and they've ensured our van is closed down for the February park closure and we don't anticipate being down again before the middle of March at the very earliest! 👍
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Initially the Derbyshire police issued a statement to say that the police officers were wrong. I don't know why there should be further discussions amongst the 'leaders' since as far as I was aware driving to exercise is/was allowed in England. As for the ridiculous 'a coffee is a picnic' would they have said 'sorry ladies I see you are carrying small bottled waters and that is not allowed'.
I found many years ago that if I made a bad decision it was far easier to admit to a bad judgement and that those that did maintained far more credence.
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I can’t help thinking that the country is paying for too lenient a Christmas now sadly."
and who was it told us this would happen if we were not good boys and girls,.....that stalwart of a professor who once again performed admirably on Breakfast tv this morning, and when asked if the rules on movement should be tightened replied "that is a political decision and i am here to answer medical questions", but went on to say that if we did not abide by the existing rules, and some people were not, then things would only get worse until such time as the vaccine was rolled out to a large percentage of the populations, and it should not be about distance from home, LA etc, it should be about keeping safe, keeping distance and staying at home when ever possible .
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It is undoubtedly difficult for the police, as evidenced by the idiots in Dorset yesterday!
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Hi Bill, I am aware that in my village there appear to be people staying in properties that are not their main home.
I saw the report re the "250 breaches". The report also said that 50% of the breaches were to investigate reports of people staying in 'holiday homes' so maybe people are getting fed up with others taking the proverbial.
However, it was attributed to one tweet from a D&C Police control room staff member and having seen not other coverage will presume that if the media are so lazy and sensationalism seeking that they need to quote tweets as if there news or fact, I need to take it with a pinch of salt.
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" As for the ridiculous 'a coffee is a picnic' would they have said 'sorry ladies I see you are carrying small bottled waters and that is not allowed'.
Personally i dont think people should be walking whilst drinking hot cups of coffee, carrying bottled water ok, we have a problem on our promenade where people buy large containers of very hot coffee from a small take away shack, they then proceed to walk along the promenade 2 abreast talking and drinking coffee and paying scant disregard to social distancing etc, some are even smoking
, the takeway also causes congestion on the footpath making it very difficult to pass without inhaling somebody elses breath as most are not wearingf face masks 0 -
Some police stupidly make it worse for all with regards to receiving public support.
There was a video yesterday where customers are entering a coffee shop for takeaway coffee. There were 4 police sat at two adjacent tables drinking their coffee. When challenged they said they worked hard and deserved a coffee. They were far from pleased when their badge numbers were recorded and they were reminded that they had takeaways.
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We too have a big park near us, but are very careful when we use it. At weekends definitely NOT! During the week it's better, and we now know which are the busier paths, so steer clear of those when we do go. Most of the paths are quite wide, so easier to distance, but even so, if it's busy, then we go elsewhere.
We have other green spaces, which aren't as busy, but again, at weekends, they're out of bounds for us too. Saying that, the ice-grips we bought recently served us well there yesterday - the path there was really icy, too icy to walk on for most people, so we had a lovely quiet walk, it's one of the areas we don't normally use at weekends.
One thing that we have noticed is when meeting other people, the majority do what we do, and walk one behind the other until we have passed each other. But some people, walking 2 abreast, will say "thank you" when we do that, but carry on taking up most of the path by just carrying on walking next to each other. We have at times remarked on it, but only got abuse, so now we just go as far over to the side as we can.
Before lockdown we sometimes used the car to go for walks elsewhere, and we'd found a few very quiet places, not popular with most people obviously!
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I wouldn't buy a take away coffee at the moment, it's one more thing that's been handled. This advice about take aways and deliveries was on the BBC the other day, it mentions decanting food which people don't with drinks it's just pased from person to person and then straight up to someone's mouth. LINK
People going out for exercise is ok by me as long as thye're not in groups and the area isn't overcrowded like some National Parks have been lately. The two people in Derbys where amongst big crowds all doing the same thing. A lone individual, near home, away from crowds seems acceptable.
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It’s the four or five abreast, push chairs, toddlers, mobility scooters, dogs on expanding leads that get to me. Take up the whole path. So we go elsewhere, leave them to it. We can go elsewhere, maybe they can’t, most will disappear once lockdown ends again.
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Same here! Fortunately, access to the path we took yesterday is not accessible to push chairs etc, due to stiles at entrances. But dogs on extending leads which owners don't retract annoy me too. Luckily, there are vast expanses of meadow where dogs mostly get exercised, so not many on the path.
Must say, we never knew of the existence of a lot of the paths and minor roads we now walk on every day, before lockdown. We always walked and cycled a lot, but not from home, or very rarely, so that's been a positive. We do enjoy our daily walk, looking forward to being able to get out on the bikes again.
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"making it very difficult to pass without inhaling somebody elses breath as most are not wearing face masks"
So, do you think that a face mask somehow contains all your exhaled breath?
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Just back with Rosa after our second walk,and even though a cold wind has sprung up since earlier walk ,we were suprised just how many groups? were walking via the centenary walk rgat opened last year ,it is not people and dogs that are the problem it is the horse riders ,who cannot read and understand the difference between a footpath and a bridleway
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Maybe, maybe not, but I regularly see unfamiliar faces on my daily walk around my village. As you’ll know many of these folks do stand out. The BBC news item contains the name of the control room supervisor and related comment from the Deputy Chief Constable, so not sure I’d discount it as fake news?
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I dont know why you have to ask such a question,
"When you wear a mask – even a cloth mask – you typically are exposed to a lower dose of the coronavirus than if you didn’t. Both recent experiments in animal models using coronavirus and nearly a hundred years of viral research show that lower viral doses usually means less severe disease."
We believe in experts. We believe knowledge must inform decisions
Common sense really
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I spent 10 years on BHS Bridleways Committee, mainly trying to help both riders, cyclists and walkers keep safe, trying to keep Bridleways fit for purpose. It was astonishing the amount of rancour between the groups. The lack of understanding was difficult at times as well.
Always an issue where a safe path ends for certain groups, forcing them into unsafe roadways. I certainly wouldn’t want to be riding a horse on some of the road routes we had to do 25 years ago. Likewise, in bad conditions, horses and cycles can quickly churn up a footpath.
There are stretches of bridleway on the route JV, I believe?
Apologies, this was removed as I posted.
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I suspect that David read your post as I did. We both no doubt thought that we would prefer to not infringe peoples rights to drink coffee given the situation. If I found an area such that I did not feel able to safely distance I would go elsewhere and be glad to see that the coffee shack was at least making some trade.
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Observing somebody vaping graphically illustrates the danger posed by getting too close. The volume and rapid distribution of potentially contaminated air being expelled from the person’s lungs is shocking.
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Hi Bill, I didnt say it was fake more but more likely maybe what in my workplace, when I was working, was called a "trumour".
The reasoning being that you need the true part, increasing covid breaches, to 'sell' the rest of the story.
Have not seen any comment from the ACC but that is, for me, just as likely part of the reason it was promulgated.
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