COVID - general discussion - Temp Locked
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You wont be coming to our beach much , we have a large contingent of swimmers in wet suits and skins, and we do have a very large naturalists beach, bit chilly around the nether regions just now, but some folk are very brave
, not sure what PC plod makes of all of this, but they were in this morning as every morning so i guess it is ok 0 -
and you both miss the point entirely
"We both no doubt thought that we would prefer to not infringe peoples rights to drink coffee given the situation"
under normal times i would not infringe peoples rights to drink coffee, or the coffee shack to make some trade, but these are not normal times, we are in the middle of a global pandemic and if in drinking coffee they are not aware of what is going on around them and are making "SOCIAL DISTANCING" very difficult for everybody then we should all object, it is our right and what we need to do if we are ever to get out of this mess
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The photos of the ladies in question show them walking at least 2 metres apart with no one else in the vicinity except possibly the numerous police who were there but out of camera shot. I don't think social distancing or lack of it has anything to do with it in this instance. The ladies obviously obtained their takeaway drinks from somewhere that was allowed to be open so why aren't they allowed to drink it?
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Well i hope you do stay safe, but remember it could be that 1 person in every 30 is covid positive so when you next visit your supermarket , or maybe have to queue for your vaccination , mind how you go, and I hope/am concerned that everybody around you is taking social distancing seriously
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I think you make a fair point Rufs. Those folk we meet round our forest in large non socially distanced groups (easy to avoid) are actively aiding the spread of the virus and we may come closer to similar folk, in an indoor setting, next time we visit the local Coop or pharmacy .
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The government have just revised one of their definitions of "close contact" in the Test & Trace scheme. It is now defined as (and I quote) "anyone who has been within two metres of someone for more than 15 minutes whether in a single period or cumulatively in the course of one day". This of course is relating to 'someone' who has tested positive.
The previous definition was just a single period of 15 minutes.
Interestingly there is no mention of being between 2 and 4 metres from someone for 30 minutes which is what happened to me in a restaurant earlier in 2020 when someone at a table 3 + metres away subsequently tested positive and I had to isolate for 14 days.
If I'm out walking or at the supermarket the length of time that I am less than 2 metres from someone must be counted in single figure seconds and I do all I can to avoid getting closer than 2 metres but this isn't always possible as we all know.
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There was a scientist on the radio this morning (can't just remember her name, but sounded a very sensible woman) who was again making the point about mixed and confusing messages being in large part to blame for perceived transgression of the "rules". She made the point that virtually all transmission of the virus is taking place indoors and that, with social distancing maintained, it was very unlikely to be transmitted out of doors. So it seems to me that much more attention needs to be focused on what is happening in shops, particularly large supermarkets rather than on folk drinking while walking outdoors (or even smoking/vaping, disgusting though I personally find those habits!)
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I drove through our small local town last Thursday. Apart from a few outside a local bank waiting and a couple outside the local Iceland the streets were empty. Car traffic light as well. No problems at Local Asda at 10 am either today
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"So it seems to me that much more attention needs to be focused on what is happening in shops, particularly large supermarkets rather than on folk drinking while walking outdoors (or even smoking/vaping, disgusting though I personally find those habits!)"
I couldnt agree more but personally i think both are important, though it is pointless debating drinking a couple of cups of coffee, what we should be concentrating on if we are to be free of all these restrictions and as a result go about our daily lives in an enjoyable way and continue on our travels whether it be over here or overthere is for all of us to do our utmost to avoid contact with somebody who is not in our immediate household whereever possible, to do this sensibly we need to stay at home at much as possible, stay away from folk outdoors, personally i would scrap the meet up with 1 other person outdoors for exercise, wear a mask, wash our hands, we have been doing this for nearly 12 months now it is not rocket science.
we have close to 90K deaths in the UK now is not the time to be hugging our children or the Gkids, sitting outside socialising at the local coffee shop, use Zoom or something similar, we sent MIL pay as you go mobile phone so we could keep in contact, she is 94, if she can do it anybody can.
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"If I'm out walking or at the supermarket the length of time that I am less than 2 metres from someone must be counted in single figure seconds and I do all I can to avoid getting closer than 2 metres but this isn't always possible as we all know."
and that is a very good point that many do not understand, and dont forget you dont have to be within 2 metres of somebody for 15 minutes to get infected from somebody who is a superspreader, a couple of minutes is more than sufficient.
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Not just in towns - one of our regular dog walks involves us crossing the very busy by pass on the outskirts of town to access local fields and lanes. In the first lockdown there was barely a vehicle to be seen. Yesterday we had to take our life in our hands to get across!
And then it was really shocking to see the amount of rubbish dumped on the side of the lane, including two bin liners apparently full of beer cans and a disused setee. Are recycling centres closed again now?
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Morrisons will bar customers who refuse to wear face coverings from its shops amid rising coronavirus infections.
From Monday, shoppers who refuse to wear face masks offered by staff will not be allowed inside, unless they are medically exempt.
The announcement comes amid concerns that social distancing measures are not being adhered to in supermarkets.0 -
I have all the major supermarkets in my local area and none operate a one way system once you are inside the store however, for some reason all of them operate a one door in and another door out!
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Regarding supermarkets (the big ones), given that they are earning vast sums of money one way or another at the moment, I don’t think it would be too much to expect them to employ one or two dedicated persons whose sole role is to ask those who aren’t complying with masks and social distancing to be a bit more aware. Nothing heavy, just advice, but it takes the stress off staff and customers who do comply. Our local Aldi had such a member of staff outside during the first lockdown, making sure things ran as smoothly and safely as possible, queuing spaces, using masks properly, no big groups going round together. Multi lingual as well, which helped greatly..... It was by far the safest place to shop at one point. I have seen door monitors, one at the Morrison’s I stepped into the other day, but a couple of properly placed barriers could have done virtually the same job. Unless he was counting of course....👍
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Our Asda does have a one-way system. It is mostly adhered to except in sensible situations not to. I regularly pick up a 30 box of diet cokes. If I go a third of the way down the empty alley and turn trolley to load I , or anybody else doing so, harms nobody. It just so happens that this particular isle is very little used. There are a couple of items that I require which are on end of isles and I pass nobody.
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"Our Asda does have a one-way system. It is mostly adhered to except in sensible situations not to."
Sorry, but doesn't that just illustrate exactly the problem? Who decides when it is sensible not to adhere to a one-way system which the supermarket have, presumably, gone to great lengths to establish for the safety of all customers?
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Sorry, but doesn't that just illustrate exactly the problem? Who decides when it is sensible not to adhere to a one-way system which the supermarket have, presumably, gone to great lengths to establish for the safety of all customers?
No it doesn't M. Folk are entering these isles the wrong way when they are empty as far as I observe and therefore are passing nobody.
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Well yes there is as some isles, such as meat get footfall. Some aisles such as soft drinks and kitchen products are often empty. The one way system is observed on aisles that attract foot fall. If there is absolutely nobody using an aisle and somebody goes a third of the way down and turns back with a product they meet nobody.
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