COVID - general discussion - Temp Locked
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Just going by the number of posts telling people they are evil if they don't vaccinate
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Hopefully there will be no long term problems after taking the new vax the nhs is there to protect us not the other way if there are any long term problems after taking the new vax will that be the fault of the people who took it will the nhs look after them
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I read that earlier today, brue, and I really feel for all NHS staff, it must be so disheartening. What they must have seen and dealt with, and still do, is unimaginable. Their devotion to duty, and in a lot of cases, their sacrifices, over this last year is tremendous, it's far more than just a job.
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Disagreement is healthy👍🏻. No one is hurting others by not getting the vax, you get it you’re covered, others don’t-they can’t hurt those who are vax’d. Their body their choice. Masks aren’t compulsory so why should vax be🤷🏻♂️
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Hang on a bit CG🤔 I cant recall a single post from anyone using the word “evil” towards anyone who chooses not to have the vaccination. As said elsewhere, debate is healthy, but not if you choose to twist words, or ascribe incorrect terms. That’s how mis information builds.
By all means disagree, it’s your right. But saying folks are calling you evil for a different point of view isn’t factual as far as I can read on this thread?
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We don’t know yet tbh🤷🏻♂️. I’m thinking(reading box pops) around 70/80% that’ll do nicely👍🏻😊
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That’s close enough to mine to be accurate-well done👍🏻😊
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Yes, I heard a figure of 70% mentioned. Whilst I wouldn’t want folks to be forced into having the vax, I think it’s important for those folks to understand the implications of not taking it up. I don’t know about you, but I’ve had enough of being restricted. We now have a way out, let’s grab it with both hands.
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Down in the SW we're starting to take patients from Kent and London even though our numbers are rising. What shocked me in the video clip was that new Covid patients were in younger age groups and in family groups and the NHS Professor said that it wasn't the new variant that was spreading it, just the inability of people to stick to the distance and hand washing rules etc.
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Part of our present dilemma is the lack of enforcement of the rules outlined for prevention of transmission. The "hands, face,space" mantra is all too often ignored and then there are the protests at the lockdowns that follow from the non-compliance. If you don't like lockdowns, keep your distance instead of thinking "it won't matter if...". It does matter. Look at today's new cases. Nearly 56,000. Tells you all you need to know.
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The Exeter Nightingale is in use and I believe it's the only one in the country being used for covid patients. Staffing it is a problem.
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Yes, brue, the bit about younger age groups and family groups was very worrying. And in relation to the age groups, I've just read about a 55 year old teacher who has died from Covid, 2 days after Christmas, after a fortnight of treatment. Apparently no underlying conditions.
I agree with the Professor's comments, it's not the new variant itself spreading it, but people not complying with instructions.
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The Manchester one has been in use for a while, however, it’s not being used for Covid patients, it’s being used to try and keep none Covid medical services operating. Including those who are suffering from long Covid recovery concerns. London’s is being readied at the moment.
Not sure about Harrogate, but then area is currently lowest it has been for a while, and most of Yorkshire’s big cities (Sheffield, Leeds) have more than one or two very big hospitals.
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I read about the problems in Essex hospitals and an email being sent out to staff asking them to cancel their leave. They must be in a dire position right now to do that. I don't think some people realise that NHS staff are depleted to an extent, either due to them having the virus, or having to self-isolate due to being in contact with someone who has it. It's not just a matter of having enough beds for patients.
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There was a consultant on tv yesterday saying how short of staff they were ,and he had six covid patients on ventilators two of which were his own staff
The ward sister i see advises that the Nightingale hospitals ,where staffed, are being used for transferred recovering patients from other overworked covid wards, as there is not enough available specialist staff to work in them,
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At this time of year the media like to come out with their Man/Woman of the year awards.
For me there is no one person deserving of this award rather Every Person who works and has worked this year in the NHS, whether they be front line staff, managers securing PPE, Ambulance drivers, Porters, Care Home staff and Care workers out visiting folk et al deserves some sort of official recognition so lets make the NHS the "Person of the Year", at least on here.
The conditions these people work under, the stress, the fatigue, the sheer continuous of it all, day in day out defies description unless you know someone in that position. Let's not forget there have been many who have paid the ultimate sacrifice, particularly at the start, when PPE was a figment of the Governments imagination, some of them answering a clarion call for retired ex staff to return.
I sincerely hope those people who won't have the vaccine because they value their freedom will not infect one single person who increases the NHS's workload.
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+1 Wherenext. It doesn’t end on the Wards for them either, full strip and shower after getting home, extra precautions for washing uniforms, etc.....
I dread seeing some of tomorrow’s headlines.
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I think a lot of folks, me included, take the NHS for granted, in normal times. Whilst it’s hard to comprehend what they have to go through at this time, I think they’ve done an outstanding job, putting themselves at risk to help others. Perhaps naively, I’d like to see a day of recognition/celebration for all they have done to get us through this. It ain’t over yet, but one day...
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We have family and good friends working in NHS, we know what they are going through. Above and beyond what anyone should have to do, outside of being at War. Many will have PTSE by the end of this, day’s, week’s, months, spent dealing with end of life, unrelenting grief, incredible stress levels, even illness itself. Takes its toll, on families as well. No reward could be enough really.
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Freddy, there was a letter that I saw somewhere which suggested that those that can afford it might wish to pay a modest amount, say £10, to have the vaccine jab. If that was brought into effect then how about distributing the funds in some way towards the staff. I'm sure better minds than mine would be able to work out logistics, iron out pitfalls etc.
Absolutely no compulsion and no pressure on anyone to pay, just a voluntary donation.
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