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Been saying the same for over a week, and i think they also missed a trick by not implementing it sooner as lots of people took 2 weeks hols over Christmas and the coming New Year and the schools were closed so would have been an ideal time to lock the country down, after all 50% of the country at least had to give up Christmas so it would not have been a great hardship and maybe extended for 2 weeks into January could have seen "job done".
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Going back to when the boys were young Margaret and I were taught a very harsh lesson. It was at the time of a lot of controversy about the Whooping Cough vaccine. We decided the boys shouldn't have it, I should say a decision supported by our then doctor. We came to regret that decision as both boys caught it and we had some horrible days whilst they suffered and fortunately recovered from it. So as you can imagine once bitten twice shy!
There may be some initial reluctance by some to have the vaccine, although most of the people I know can't wait for it!!! As things stand now it is the only path out of this dreadful situation we find ourselves in. As that becomes obvious to the doubters I am sure they will change their minds. You can't force someone to have a vaccine and you can't punish them if they don't. You can only hope than common sense prevails and they will see the need.
David
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I wouldn't go so far as stopping benefits but still hold the view that there should be some sort of punitive measure taken. After all we fine people for Speeding and the speed limit is there to protect the national public. The vast majority of us try to comply with this as best we can.
This virus is much more serious.
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Very good point, and would need some clarification i feel
, i suppose you could go to your local practice and tell them that you were planning to go away on holiday and could you have the vaccine early to accommodate this, think this might go down like a lead balloon, or i am sure private clinics will be charging an arm and a leg very soon to people who want to jump the queue 
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I’d like to think that the vast majority of folks will come forward of their own volition and take up the vaccine, the scientists have explained that the greater the take up, the better for our population as a whole. I feel greatly for anyone who for medical reasons cannot be vaccinated. But I don’t have a deal of sympathy for those who want to pick and choose for many other reasons, sometimes community well being has to trump individual choice, especially if it’s not an informed choice.
So many deadly diseases have been eradicated from UK. Mainly like WN says by the majority of the population getting actively involved. If you aren’t part of the solution, then you become part of the problem, and one way or another, preferably by persuasion, it needs to be dealt with. 🙂
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Yes, that occurred to me too, but I think (hope) the 12 weeks is a "maximum rather than a target" (see what I did there?
). I said to Mrs M just this morning, knowing our luck we'd have our first dose mid Feb and be called for second dose mid May - just when we've got a river cruise booked! But if that was the case, the vaccine comes first, we can always re-arrange the holiday.
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We did the same with one of our children David, the subsequent Whooping Cough was far worse than the skin condition that made us think she shouldn't have the vaccination. But I think there will be some who will have to opt out from the Covid vac, certainly anyone who is pregnant will have a very difficult choice, hopefully not too many in the general public will be faced with a similar difficulty but there will be some.
It's all going to take a long time, three weeks to develop immunity and 4-12 weeks between jabs, a logistical mountain.
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I sadly don’t share the optimism that the vast majority of folks who can have the vaccination, will actually have it. There have been lots of debates on Channel 4 with different groups, many of whom have put forward some not very rationale thinking behind their decision. I am sure they believe it makes sense within their peer group sphere, but it’s not always particularly well thought out or informed thinking. Very, very hard to change entrenched views, that’s where a different kind of persuasion might be necessary, for example not able to get travel insurance etc.....
Would we want to welcome hundreds of thousands of none vaccinated visitors into the UK? That’s a question to mull over. Vice versa with Brits visiting elsewhere as well? It’s a global pandemic, be great if the response could be global as well.
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I don’t have any issues with monetary sanctions, sometimes it can concentrate the mind into making a better informed choice.
It’s two simple jabs to save a life, get back to a degree of better living. I am certain that many in 3rd World and war torn nations, unlikely to have the opportunities we have in the next few weeks, must look on in disbelief that anyone can ponder on such a choice. Time to be thankful we are where we are.
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As I don’t use emojis I cannot be sure if you are joking?
In the midst of discussing sanctions for people who won’t have the vaccine I can’t believe that you are suggesting a holiday may take precedence, so will presume that you aren’t.1 -
I don’t think WN is doing any other than pointing out holiday dates may clash with the due date of the second jab.
Emojis are very obvious in their meaning but you can find details on the internet if in doubt.👍🏻
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I don’t have any doubt WN would put health above holiday, and is joking👍😁 but it’s been patently obvious that some folks (not on here) have made what some of us might consider astoundingly selfish choices. Not least the Brits who deserted that Ski village in the last few days.
If a lot more had exercised a degree of self restraint, we might not have had the case rate and death toll this country has seen sadly.
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Not joking at all A&J. Being someone whose life expectancy would be in the low percentages if I caught the darned thing I would definitely put health first. I have for that very reason chosen not to travel abroad until I am certain that most of the population, both here and abroad will have had the vaccine. Maybe towards the end of next year, if not then 2022.
I was merely wondering what other peoples choices might be, particularly those travelling abroad.
I am still unsure if the 12 weeks mentioned is due to Oxford AstraZenica data stating that that is the most efficient gap for efficacy or if it is a pure logistical break between jabs to enable the NHS to deliver them both.
ps - just as an aside, the emoji used is not one that I normally use but is next to the "I am annoyed one" that I meant to but didn't notice until your post.
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You should wake up and smell the coffee,
"it’s two simple jabs to save a life, get back to a degree of better living. I am certain that many in 3rd World and war torn nations, unlikely to have the opportunities we have in the next few weeks, must look on in disbelief that anyone can ponder on such a choice."
For many years people have been pondering such a choice, many years ago i did some disaster relief work in the Phillipines, Typhoid was rife, a vaccine was available but many refused it
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I have to disagree on compulsion Wherenext
Brue, isn't irony wonderful? There is a possibility that I may not qualify to have the jab as my immune system is compromised and nobody at either the Renal Unit in Wrexham or my GP can confirm if I would be excluded as yet.
Of course I could be advocating the mass inoculation of the public just in my own self interests. That's for others to judge.🤔😁
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It is a very good point actually, many will be planning 2/3 month spring trips to overthere in carvans/Mh's etc, me included, and this could have a very severe impact on our plans, but like you, if we have to delay or cxl and do a staycation we will be more than happy just to have survived
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rufs said.......For many years people have been pondering such a choice, many years ago i did some disaster relief work in the Phillipines, Typhoid was rife, a vaccine was available but many refused it undecided
Sadly, a quick look at the nation confirms it’s still not a healthy place. I haven’t driven down into the reasons why, but it’s a prime example of why not making the most of good opportunities isn’t the best option. Let’s hope UK population is a bit better informed and enabled about making the best choice👍
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"Sadly, a quick look at the nation confirms it’s still not a healthy place. I haven’t driven down into the reasons why,"
I know the reasons why, but not suitable for this forum
But yes , lets hope we can all pull together and even if we cannot erradicate this virus, make it manageable.
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Aye, done a bit of reading. As you say, not permitted on this forum. Their case rate isn’t as bad as I expected though, mind could be lots of other stuff accounting for them!😱
Somewhat to my surprise, we remain Tier 3. Surrounded to the South by Tier 4 though. Our rates are best they have been for weeks. Can’t see that lasting sadly. Too many visitors and get togethers. Lots of big groups out walking, our local Park is not on our list of places to go at the moment. Or many of the lovely local walks.☹️
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I was merely wondering what other peoples choices might be, particularly those travelling abroad.
Hi Wherenext, Apologies if I am missing something but in your post you said you could see it causing problems for people on holiday “like ME”??
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Yes A&J. I have a tour of Scotland provisionally planned and booked for some of May and early June plus I'm taking my Mother-in-law and wife away to a cottage in Yorkshire in late June, so I can see that if I did have the first jab in February I could have a problem in managing to fulfil my plans. They would have to be curtailed somehow or even cancelled.
A problem that others who have made plans for some of the early part of next year may also have.
I meant to add that Mrs WNs jab would happen after mine so that also could throw a spanner in the works.
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Wherenext said:-
I am still unsure if the 12 weeks mentioned is due to Oxford AstraZenica data stating that that is the most efficient gap for efficacy or if it is a pure logistical break between jabs to enable the NHS to deliver them both.
I think the reasoning is that the first jab gives quite a high degree of protection (higher than the flu jab) The longer gap between doses allows far more people to be vaccinated and therefore provides more people with protection against the virus. I am not sure that considering people's holiday plans were even a consideration
The idea of longer gaps between jabs has been around for some weeks and has been suggested by a group of eminent scientists. Clearly the people that agree the vaccine support that view. I don't think it would have worked with the Pfizer vaccine as there just won't be enough of it.David
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DK, your explanation is what I had heard. Trying to give as many folks as possible a degree of immunity, but giving the second dose within a time range. Something dog owners can relate to with boosters!
I think a lot of us will be in the starting gates to get away, both here in UK, and overseas. We have tentative plans, but depends on lots of things, only booking so far is for Tour of Britain.
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How ironic you post about entrenched views and peer groups yet most on here are doing exactly that and nothing changes your minds. If someone doesn't want to have a vaccine thats their choice end of. I was going to add that its a free country but considering the views of a few on here I think you would rather it wasn't.
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