Parking campervan on private driveway

cedartraveller
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edited October 2020 in Caravan & Motorhome Chat #1

Hi

I am new here and would like some general assistance, my house has a large private driveway large enough for 6+ cars or 4 medium campervans.

However my house deeds do stipulate no caravans or boats or trailers to be on the property, I appreavite I might need to take some legal advice, but what is the general consensus, is campervan classified as a caravan and does it come under the same umbrella or is that something different. My neighbour is ok with the van, however I want to ensure I am ok longer term with potential new neighbours. The campervan does not obstruct my neighbour light, view or access, as they also have av very large double drive too.

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  • ABM
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    edited October 2020 #2

    Hmm,  was the "No caravans etc " clause inserted by the builder or is it at Local Authorities insistence ?  If it is the Builder then the case could be open to persuasion or time considerations -- is the builder still in operation or have they long retired ( Always a good sign if you are trying to change things  innocent )  If it is the L.A.  I'd do as much fact finding / Research as possible 'cos some are open to reasoned arguments others as rigid as Big Ben !!

    Get the neighbours on your side ~~ you could be doing the whole area a favour wink

  • JVB66
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    edited October 2020 #3

    How many company and white vans are already parked on peoples drives ? but as has been said, get other neibours on side to help your case 

    Is it in your deeds as a covenant when house first built?  ,if so it would possibly not now be valid

  • flatcoat
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    edited October 2020 #4

    Most of these ‘rules’ are unenforceable, personally i wouldn't worry about. If people are so minded to complain then good luck to them. 

  • allanandjean
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    edited October 2020 #5

    "my house deeds do stipulate no caravans or boats or trailers"

    As its none of these I would go ahead. 

  • LLM
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    edited October 2020 #6

    This question often crops up on MH and C/Van forums.  Mostly the best answer is the same. 

    Talk to your solicitor, preferably the one that carried out the conveyancing for you.  He/She should have explained it all to you prior to you signing on the dotted line and will do so again, usually without charge.   

  • obbernockle
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    edited October 2020 #7

    A motor caravan is a caravan. 

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited October 2020 #8

    You are in trouble once JV reads this😱😱😊

  • JVB66
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    edited October 2020 #9

    Why is that? it just has less space for the size with the cab area attached.  instead of having the freedom of a tow vehiclewinkcool

  • obbernockle
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    edited October 2020 #10

    Precicely! 

    Back to the subject of the thread though, I think the definitive name for a camper van or camping car or motorhome as the Brtits like to call them, is motor caravan. 

  • Bakers2
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    edited October 2020 #11

    Is that not what is written on the V5? Can't check as we no longer own one, at present 😉.

  • Bakers2
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    edited October 2020 #12

    Repeated myself as my reply didnt appear on the thread or the latest activity page 😡. This site seems to respond like some prominent folk, elected or not,  to COVID guidelines 😉sealed

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited October 2020 #13

    If a Motorhome is wrong why is a caravan right🤷🏻‍♂️. You’ve been at the forefront of calling it a motor caravan citing a Govt website. So I expected you to object to a caravan being called a motor caravan🤔🙄

  • Kontikiboy
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    edited October 2020 #14

    I have the same words in my deeds and they should be enforced by the LA, but they don’t bother.

    BillC

  • JVB66
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    edited October 2020 #15

    undecided?????

    ps it is the DVLA description on the V5 of motor caravans unless it has changed?

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited October 2020 #16

    Your name of Motor caravan is the name most of us call a motorhome I accept you are right👍🏻. I was saying you are right in calling it motor caravan👍🏻. So you don’t need to tell me it’s the DVLA description as I already know. . .You’ve told us all on numerous occasions👍🏻. I really can’t make it any plainer than that JV. You don’t need to answer this thanks👍🏻

  • flatcoat
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    edited October 2020 #17

    The only action the LA can take is if it is a planning condition, and then in practice they are highly unlikely to. If it is a legal restrictive covenant In the deeds the previous landowner might enforce it (again, highly unlikely). If your property is leasehold then you may have a problem with whoever owns the freehold. Otherwise my advice to anyone is tell anyone who complains to mind their own damn business. In practice there is very little they can do. We have a friend who has a restriction against Enclosing her front garden. Almost all her neighbours have enclosed theirs, she gets in right sweat complaining, the LA simply see her as a busy body because in practice, as they say, what actual harm is being done? 

  • EmilysDad
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    edited October 2020 #18

    My estate has a similar stipulation regarding keeping front gardens open aspect ..... I can't think of one that is.

  • MillieMaster
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    edited October 2020 #19

    To a certain extent it is all down to the size of the Motorhome, if it is a humongous one then neighbours might start flagging the matter up with your local authority, however if it is a campervan which can also double as your daily driver then it is very highly unlikely that anyone will object.

    Mine is a LWB panel van conversion and although there is the clause in the deeds about "no caravans or homes with wheels", I have checked my local District Council as well as the Parish Council and no one is raising any complaints, most especially as it can't be seen from the road. 

  • JVB66
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    edited October 2020 #20

    There are these days it seems more works vans of all shapes and sizes on the front of houses in our road even though there are "covenents" in place for LVs?

    I think it would be an interesting debate if complaints are forthcoming

  • Kontikiboy
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    edited October 2020 #21

    Some of you may get a surprise in the not too distant future;  my LA have banned all caravans, boats and trailers and all commercial vehicles from all new developments.      A neighbour of mine was all ready to sign on the dotted line to buy a new house just a mile away from here, but because he works for Western Power and has to take his van home, as he is on call a lot, he had to cancel that purchase because of his van.

    These changes are coming from Whitehall to protect residential accommodation.    Along with parking cars and courier vans half on road and other half on pavement, which is an offence and LAs are being encouraged to issue fines to offenders.

    BillC

  • EmilysDad
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    edited October 2020 #22

    ...  which is an offence ...

    only in Londinium 😉

     https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/legal/parking-on-the-pavement/

  • JVB66
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    edited October 2020 #23

    Oh no its notwink

  • cyberyacht
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    edited October 2020 #24

    Good to see that Covid hasn't stopped Panto. wink

  • LLM
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    edited October 2020 #25

    Only in Londinium at present wink.  

  • Heather Joy
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    edited November 2020 #26

    As a licenced motor vehicle providing you do not sleep in it over night the clause does not apply to you . LAWYER

     

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited November 2020 #27

    Have you seen the actual covenant or are you assuming it's something you’ve met before? They're not all the same.

    Retired and happy.😃

  • 63ellsbells
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    edited November 2020 #28

    Exactly - life’s too short to be worrying about something that might happen but probably won’t.

    Park it up and forget it...😄

  • no one
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    edited November 2020 #29

    Mines parked on the drive and recently we have been using it as a daily driver, not something you could do with a caravan or trailer, worst case park it on the road, neighbour's complain to the council, so  remove it from road and in good faith, park it on your driveway wink

  • JVB66
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    edited November 2020 #30

    Not so as it an offence in our area  ,but only enforced  if a complaint is made, ie blocking views,  as many areas do not have, and are unlikely to have enough on road parking as the estate roads are not wide enough 

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited November 2020 #31

    Surely as your daily drive you have a good argument wherever you live🤷🏻‍♂️