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Just an update to my post on the first page when I said it needed to be stored at -80C which is what it said on the BBC website and also mentioned at today's press conference.
There are also massive manufacturing and logistical challenges in immunising huge numbers of people, as the vaccine has to be kept in ultra-cold storage at below minus 80C.
I am now doubting this as very few outlets would be able to keep the vaccine at such a low temperature. Dr John Campbell on his Channel has said that it needs to be stored at -18C which seem more realistic to me. So we may need further clarification on that score?
David
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Our town was used as an early mass testing site, with the Army doing the logistics, and you booked either online or via doctors surgeries. It worked really well, took less than five minutes. Army personnel were excellent.
Our local health board organised the Flu jabs for our town on a similar basis, with lots of surgeries involved. No Army this time just volunteers and teams of medics. Again it was great, so easy to book, you drove in, dropped the car window, answered a few ID questions, quick jab and out. No queues, no waiting around. The idea was to test the system to see if it would be feasible to do the town’s mass Covid jabs when required. The marquees are still on the testing site, possibly still being used, as our town has a very high case rate at the moment.
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We had to wait a couple of weeks after ringing up. However, very well organised. Several texts sent reminding you. Jabs like a formula 1 pit stop. Well OK it might have been 5 seconds stationary rather than 2.2 😂. In one door (automatic) out the fire exit (left open).
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Minus 80C! There's going to be a lot of wrinklies with arm frostbite.
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All the information I have seen says it has to be kept and transported at -78C. Nothing about shelf life once it is defrosted.🤔 If that is several days it is unlikely to pose a significant problem. If it is only a matter of hours small village surgeries and pharmacies are going to struggle to do the excellent job they routinely do with the flu jab.
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I heard Matt Hancock this morning say it has to be stored at -80 until a few hours before being used. What is meant by a few hours is anyone's guess at the moment, no doubt things will become clearer as more information becomes available.
Liquid nitrogen, used very commonly, boils at -196 degrees so keeping the vaccine at -80 shouldn't pose too many problems.
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On Newsnight last night they said that the manufacturers had designed special freezer boxes for transportation of the vaccine. We probably have too little real information at the moment. I would have thought if they injected at that temperature your arm would freeze!!!!
David
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From one report I saw it says that GPs have been warned they would be required to work 12 hours a day 7 days a week to immunise all that are required
the payment they would receive for each individual is a little over £12.50 (£2 more than the flu as more paperwork and follow ups are required) My son (in the Army) tells me that the Armed forces have been put on standby to 'assist' with the vaccination programme. The logistics I would think are going to be a headache due to the low level temp that the vaccine has to be kept at. IMO many rural/local GPs surgeries will not be suitable, it will require a dedicated vaccination team and facility.
Were are 5th on the list so hoping we can get ours done in time to be able to go to Lanzarote beginning of March but that is probably wishful thinking, maybe in time for France/Spain end of April
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Once we had received a text from our Dr surgery for flu jabs we booked in quickly, we still had to wait a month for the appointment. A week after we had booked the appointment we received another general text saying they had now run out of vaccine, and if no appointment booked already then try the Chemist! Let's hope this one, when it comes, goes better.
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Our surgery is dreadful for trying to get an appointment, face to face or by phone. In fact you have to have a great deal of patience even to speak to a receptionist by phone to try for an appointment! But the one thing they have got right is organising flu jabs, albeit meaning a drive across town to a school car park, but once there, slightly ahead of time, we drove through within 5 minutes. Hopefully that organisation will be repeated if and when the time comes for these vaccinations.
We have a river cruise booked for late May and this news, together with the likelihood of testing at airports has left us very hopeful!
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We have for the past couple of years used our local Pharmacist for our flu jabs much quicker and no queues ,so lets hope as reported they will be involved
problem that seems to be if this German vacine does get approval will be the low temp it will need to be stored at
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From one report I saw it says that GPs have been warned they would be required to work 12 hours a day 7 days a week to immunise all that are required the payment they would receive for each individual is a little over £12.50 (£2 more than the flu as more paperwork and follow ups are required)
I doubt that the flow of vaccine will keep them busy for long
Were are 5th on the list so hoping we can get ours done in time to be able to go to Lanzarote beginning of March but that is probably wishful thinking, maybe in time for France/Spain end of April
March of which rear Tammy?
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I'm not so sure as a bit of research reveals that other vaccines also require very low storage temps.
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Forever the optimist eh EasyT
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IMO it's the best news so far but unlikely that the general public will have full access to the vaccine for many months. This hiatus will be a very dangerous period of risk as precautionary disciplines will need to be maintained which has proven difficult so far. Strictly speaking all the vaccines are experimental, one must weigh in the risks associated with this along with the risk of the disease.In normal times any short or long term vaccine risk is minimised. Also there are already mutations to the covid strain as found in the Danish mink farms. Do the vaccines protect against this strain? Let's hope for a safe resolution to all this.
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I think that is the case for all vaccines but normally they are at the more manageable scale of the temperature range! It would be interesting to know why this particular vaccine requires such a low temperature for storage?
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MMR storage is between -50°C and +8°C. I’m not sure that the lower end is much more manageable.
That’s quite a range, though, and there may be a similar variable with the covid vac. Let's face it, we know next to nothing.😀
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Has wee Burney pre-ordered any doses?
All ordered by central government
I doubt that the flow of vaccine will keep them busy for long
I think with all their normal work they will be busy enough, just doing the flu jab causes them to be overworked.
March of which rear Tammy?
2021 of course ET, my glass is always half full
won't matter really as we are going come what may.Just watched the news and it is -80c that it has to be stored at. Obviously it will have to be a much warmer temp for inoculation.
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Listening to Jonathon Van Tam yesterday, he stated that it is good news, but there are lots of hurdles the vaccine has to jump before first doses will be given. He asked folks to stay fully alert and vigilant until this happens. The Government link also advises that some vaccine strains will suit different age groups/ vulnerabilities, so the order of dosing could change. Other factors as well, such as ethnicity, deprivation, etc....
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Mrs WN has read,(she's my main news avenue) that some people who would normally be eligible may not now be eligible such as those with Immune system problems, which I fall into to. All speculation and bits of news here and there so will wait before throwing a Trump.
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I had an interesting discussion with a lady who should know a couple of hours ago. Without going into great detail, which I don't really understand, her professional view is that the Oxford Astra Z vaccine may yet pip the Pfizer one to the post. Both are very advanced but the Pfizer offering has yet to be peer reviewed whereas the one from Oxford Astra Z has completed that part of the process.
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