Don't some people want to have Christmas this year
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Regardless of what the law and rules state it is an undisputed fact that Covid spreads by close proximity person to person contact. Our own common sense should tell us that avoiding contact with others will eventually eradicate or certainly reduce the numbers of people contracting the virus. Not everyone is fit and healthy and can overcome the illness if they catch it. Some very fit people have succumbed to it and have been very ill. So yes, unnecessary contact with others until the virus is under control is selfish in my opinion.
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I think a lot of people with religious beliefs will disagree with you.
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Huge morgage?
sounds like OHs son "we want a bigger house?" Me "is your house to small for you all?"
Him "No but we need a double garage and some more room when the boys have their own cars"
Me "that will cost you"
Him "it will mean less holidays but we both work and interest rates are ok now"
Me
Ps they hope to move in before xmas
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It is a prerequisite when people buy homes that require two wages to pay the mortgage.
When we bought our first bricks and mortar at the start of 1973 there was a formula for permitted borrowing. For us it came to £3,750 and I got the building society to go up to £3,900 as I was due an increase of £150 in 6 months time. In those days you got tax relief on the mortgage. We were not able to make use of all of it as our incomes were not high enough. After 6 months I asked my wife if she would like to stop work and spend more time with our 3 year old. I lied a little by saying that we could afford it
. the truth was that we would afford it by me doing additional work.My in-laws had helped when I was at college by looking after our daughter for the first 3 years of her life for 2.5 days of the week and my wife slept there for 2 nights a week whilst I was away at college during the week.
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😱😱😬😢. In the immortal words of Elton John & Kiki Dee. . .’Don’t go breaking my heart’ don’t diss the santa man☹️
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It's very difficult when someone has to work from home and do the childcare at the same time, so help from grandparents is keeping some families going in these exceptional times.
My nephew has to work from home, he's got a full on reponsible job, his wife is a hospital consultant working with very ill people. she gets tested twice a week for covid. Her hours of duty include weekends. They have two young children but when there are problems like illness and after school care the family has to step in, there is no-one else to help. I don't know how many of us would have coped years ago if confronted with this present situation. I think some are really up against the wire and I wouldn't criticise them!
All the more reason to not put pressure on the medical side of things by taking unnecessary risks.
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When we first got married I bought a new 2 bedroom mobile home which after paying siting costs was £1,800. Those were the days. I knew that it was a loss maker as I sold for £600 for a quick deal but as much as I loved them I did not want to live with in-laws
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The 'messenger' is the very person advocating such action. He quotes facts/stories in support of his proposed rule breaking.
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Because it's something I have not experienced I do wonder if grandparents are put upon by the parents of the children. Retirement should be the time when people have time to do their own thing. Obviously one of those things is having a close and loving relationship with their grandchildren. However there are probably lots of other things they might like to do which are not possible because of looking after grandchildren. I often wonder when people mention they are doing this task is whether the parents actually stop and think whether they are imposing on their own parents? In the context of COVID do these parents ever consider doing a risk assessment as to whether the jobs they do put the grand parents at greater risk?
David
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That's family life isn't it, you take these things as they come and with Covid it's been quite a challenge for many families, everything has been turned upside down.
The opposite end is people not being able to see their families at all.
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As a flip side to grandparent duties, we didn't have any children (not through choice) so it was with delight that our niece, (plus her mother and 10 year old son), moved up from Hampshire to live fairly close to us. Our niece has said, quite jokingly on more than one occasion, that she will be looking after her own mother plus my wife and I as we all get older, running an old folks home
!. I think she is serious, she is of that caring nature. As a payback I do various DIY jobs for them and I guess she probably thinks/hopes/believes that we may remember them in our wills. So family help can work both ways.0 -
It’s optional, no one is actually put upon unless they are weak or stupid. We look after our primary school aged GK’s when it suits us. We did a spell when they were babies to enable their parents some free/rest time, if it ever got expected we then pointed out not to expect, best rely on hope. They are now a joy to be with, camping, hiking & they are innocent-the yarns I’ve spun them have been super fun🤣🤣
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I am not so sure about that. It's not about being weak or stupid it's about a more subtle pressure and expectation that grandparents will help. All circumstances will be different but quite a few pensioners I know have their lives ruled by childcare requirements. Many might be happy with that but I know a lot who miss out of other things like Christmas and Summer lunches because of the expectation of childminding. I think all I am trying to point out that those expecting the childcare should also be sensitive to the fact that parents might have other things they would like to do rather than just park the issue as business completed!
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Yes agree 100%
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But there are two parts to Christmas as I see it.
There is the secular holiday of feasting and drinking and meeting up with others and the religious part. These can be totally mutually exclusive or completely overlapping or some mixture in-between.
I think what is being discussed in this thread is mainly the former.
I've said before I'm religious but even with churches shut or not seeing all the people I would want I'll be still having a good Christmas.
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Quite happy to discuss finances. I am very unlikely to be compromised. If I disclosed my name and date of birth I am unlikely to be tracked. I have tried.
My user name of Easy T is also unlikely to be tracked other than to website forums were I have posted.
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It wasn't long ago you posted a document here showing your name and address, Easy.
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Why? I’ve no interest in it but you well and truly blew your cover and screenshotting it would have been so easy for someone with dubious motives.
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