Sites in Tier 3

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  • EasyT
    EasyT Forum Participant Posts: 16,194
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    edited October 2020 #62

    I would not know as the UK government started using the terms 'Tier'  and by now using the term 'Level' it seems. The link seems to head all levels as tier 3

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited October 2020 #63

    Me too.

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited October 2020 #64

    The Tier system isn’t confusing....(England.)

    Tier 1.....Medium Risk, applies everywhere.

    Tier 2.....High Risk, growing cases numbers, more cases in hospital. Mainly North of England areas, Essex, certain other high population areas.

    Tier 3..... Very High Risk. Applies to Merseyside, Greater Manchester, Lancashire, South Yorkshire, Nottinghamshire (from today), and will apply to West Yorkshire from Monday.

    If you think of the term “level” being the same as “tier” it helps.😁

     

  • brue
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    edited October 2020 #65

    And look on line for the gov.uk tier restrictions details. smile

  • EasyT
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    edited October 2020 #66

    Maybe so for one who notices the change in terminology. But when, a non follower of such things, it passes by without my knowledge and I  go on a caravan site's advice page and they have a section headed Tier 3 and list below Medium Level, Low Level High Level

    3 Tier Alert Level

    On 14 October, the Government introduced a 3 tier alert level system. We are in a Medium alert level area. This means that the rule of 6 indoors and outdoors is in place. If you are from a Medium alert level area, you may visit us in a maximum group size of 6 people (including children) from any number of households.

    If you are from a High alert level area, you may only visit us in a maximum group size of 6 people (including children) from one household or support bubble.


    If you are from a Very High alert level area, you should not travel out of your area so please do not visit us until your alert level is reduced.

    Please click here to see a summary of the activities which are and aren't allowed in each alert level: https://www.longashespark.co.u...

    To check the alert level for any postcode, please visit the Government Coronavirus webpage: https://www.gov.uk/find-corona...

     

  • eurortraveller
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    edited October 2020 #67

    Government advice + medical advice + common sense + bad weather says not to go Caravanning anywhere in the UK right now. 

  • EasyT
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    edited October 2020 #68

    Not sure if Wales has used a tier system and as we were locked into Flintshire and then locked into Wales What has recently happened in UK I have not had reason to follow Brue

  • Fisherman
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    edited October 2020 #69

    Morally the club should  shut all its sites. Individuals take its OK to travel from anywhere. Add up all the "Me "and you get the problem. We all have a collective responsibility to Stay at home, social distance and stop the spread. Unfortunately a big minority cant accept this. The virus will be out of control in weeks and then the Sh... hits the fan. The same people will then blame everyone else for the situation.

  • brue
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    edited October 2020 #70

    Gov advice is full of typical verbal-ese, three words where one might do.

    They seem to be gravitating towards levels at the moment rather than tiers!

     

  • brue
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    edited October 2020 #71

    Ah Gov. rules, I forgot to define them by nation and complication...wink

  • Compo
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    edited October 2020 #72

    I must have missed the advice from the Government not to go caravanning anywhere in the UK right now. Could you please let me know when this advice was issued.

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited October 2020 #73

    Devolved Governments are doing things slightly different, but the overall principles are the same. 

    Just for anyone interested....Blackburn in Darwen has now been in some form of  restrictive measures for the last 13 weeks, yet it still has the highest case rate in the UK. 

  • JillwithaJay
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    edited October 2020 #74

    We seem to be merging topics now. 

    This thread was for discussing sites in tier 3.  General Covid discussion needs to be on the now re-opened Covid Madness thread.

    Many Thanks.

  • EasyT
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    edited October 2020 #75

    The virus will be out of control in weeks and then the Sh... hits the fan. The same people will then blame everyone else for the situation. The virus started going out of control back in July and it was clearly evident from start of August onwards. 

  • EasyT
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    edited October 2020 #76

    No idea it was reopened Jill. Has anybody made a post to announce it being reopened on that thread?

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited October 2020 #77

    Thanks Jill.The website has been so bad today, it’s difficult to get into anything👍

  • Rufs
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    edited October 2020 #78

    so why are you commenting on issues such as the tier system which has been applied for many weeks, when, by your own admission you know very little about it, or for that matter the system being used in Wales were you live ???, you are just sending out confusing messages.

  • EasyT
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    edited October 2020 #79

    I. I was aware of the tier system and was totally unaware it had started to be referred to as 'Level' rather than 'tier'. My admission was that I was confused by the 'advice' on a sites information page. Not that I had been ignorant of what was previously refeed to by the term tier 1, 2, 3 etc,

    2. I did not recollect whether the term 'Tier' had been used in Wales as I did not recollect it being used. I like to check my facts when I do not recollect something. I find it useful.

    3. Some must be pretty uninformed of their own area to be confused. Did you notice that I sent a link as the only consideration for me would be did I wish to visit a site and was there any law to prevent my travel.

    As to why I commented I could ask the same of you. I won't however as, at present, I could not care any less

  • Rufs
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    edited October 2020 #80

    2. I did not recollect whether the term 'Tier' had been used in Wales as I did not recollect it being used. I like to check my facts when I do not recollect something. I find it useful.

    as reported in most of the press 12th Oct 20

    The Welsh Government is considering introducing the three-tier system due to be unveiled in England, but the health minister has warned it may not be enough to halt the spread of the virus.

    they did infact decide that the tier system was not going to stop the spread and went for the current lock down.

     

  • Wherenext
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    edited October 2020 #81

    Although Tiers haven't been the vogue here in Wales we have had local lockdown regulations imposed on most of the administrative areas including counties prior to the National Lockdown. 

    The First Minister of Wales has stated, today, that when the National Lockdown is lifted on 9th.November there will be no further local lockdowns but any action will be done on a National level, more details to be given next Monday.

    So, for those interested in touring this might either mean that sites such as Lady Margarets Park in Chirk will re-open or it may mean that All sites in Wales will have to close. For anyone with any plans to visit Wales at any time in the near future it would be wise to tune in next Monday to find out.

    It also seems to me that abandoning the local lockdown scenario means that it didn't have the desired results in driving down the infection rate. However I don't have access to any official figures to confirm my suspicions.

  • EasyT
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    edited October 2020 #82
  • LLM
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    edited October 2020 #83

    To me the whole thing is incredibly simple.  We have a killer virus amongst us.  If we stop it spreading it will die of loneliness.  If we don’t it will make many ill, and kill many, not only in its own right but also from other problems that won’t be treated because the medical services are swamped with CV19 patients. 

    If anyone wants to go camping they need to ask themselves a simple question.  In all the circumstances are we more or less likely to catch and/or spread the virus if we go?  If it’s less then go, if more then don’t.  The same applies to any activity. 

    Whether or not CAMC should shut sites is up to them.  They just need to decide if keeping them open is more or less likely to spread CV19 and act accordingly. 

  • EasyT
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    edited October 2020 #84

    I thought that the advice was merely to avoid travel in or out. No compulsion therefore. 

  • JVB66
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    edited October 2020 #85

    We are off tomorrow from a tier one area to a tier one area skirting two other tier one areas on route wink

    Whether any area will not go higher when we are away ,we will just hve to "live dangerously" if that happenssurprised

  • cyberyacht
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    edited October 2020 #86

    Whatever tier/level we are at, until we dispense with the Sergeant Wilson "would you mind awfully" approach and develop an enforcement regime with some teeth, we are probably wasting our time anyway.

  • Rufs
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    edited October 2020 #87

    dangerous post, when i suggested bringing the army out of retirement, my laptop was on fire with the responses i got laughing

  • LLM
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    edited October 2020 #88

    Policing by consent works well in normal times and makes life relatively free and easy but these times are not normal and require much tougher controls and reponses.  

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited October 2020 #89

    I’m afraid that relies upon two things CY. A significant well recruited and trained human resource presence to ensure compliance. And a sense of fairness that no matter who you are, what you do, that the rules will apply to everyone. Both are sadly lacking at the moment, and will be for the foreseeable future.

    I keep getting text messages asking me if I have ever considered becoming a police officer..........🤷‍♀️

  • Tammygirl
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    edited October 2020 #90

    I don't agree that sites should close down. We have been going away since lockdown ended. All the sites we've been to were safe and well looked after. Close the facilities if you must but no need to close sites.

    Travel for people living in tier 3 area to a lower area should be restricted. However travel from the other 2 areas should be allowed, even if you have to travel through a higher tier. If you are driving and not stopping and getting out how can you catch anything. Travel was allowed through Belgium if going to Germany as long as you didn't come into contact with anyone else.

    We will carry on touring for as long as we are able to. We have no intention of going to stay in a tier 3 area why would we.

    Question: if you live in a tier 3 area but have been out and about since before it went into tier 3 would you be allowed on sites? 

    We live in tier 2.

  • scoutman
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    edited October 2020 #91

    We live in Wales, problem solved. End of.