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t was not intended as an Interrogation LLM, sorry if it seemed so. I was just curious as I have not been for a meal since well before the initial lockdown. Probably not since mid Feb. We normally go for a lunchtime meal on my birthday in November (and once a week) but not this time.
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Yes, its those other people who spread it. Not you.
You re delusional.
I have been on site during restrictions.
Next van had a drinks and nibbles party for two other groups who were not in their bubble in the awning.
A group of families had a party, 15 people from different areas.
The other side sat playing cards and chess with a couple who were from a different van, when I questioned this I was told its OK we know them.
Frequently saw not even basic handwashing after washroom usage.
This is typical.
Statistically you reduce the odds of you catching it but you still give yourself 100 more touch points to catch infection than if you stay at home.
Now if there are thousands of people like you then some WILL catch the virus and bring it home to their loved ones.
I really am not having a go at you and no one is to blame for this horrific disease but we as a society have to do more.
Absolute fact (and there are not many of those with covid) is that if you stop all travel it goes away.
Good luck.
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Stay at home and observe correct social distancing and the chance of spreading the virus is zero.
So the virus can tell if I am at home or in the caravan?
Travel and you give the virus a vector to infect other people in another area thus spreading it.
Not if you don't socialise or break the rules.
Don't have friends around, this is a really bad idea, its been on the telly a bit lately. It kills people.
We don't not at home or in the caravan
Its nothing to do with how you conduct yourself.
Its everything to do with how you conduct yourself.
it normalises travel which causes infection and death.
WhatIt opens you up to infection from those who do not conduct themselves correctly.
But not if you follow the rules
It allows you to then bring infection back from your travels and infect those friends you have around.
Again if you follow the rules you won't and if you don't have friends around how can you pass anything on.
Please try to understand or we will not get out of this unholy mess.
I understand perfectly what the rules are as do many others. I will follow the rules and guidance. What I will not do is become so frightened by others to lock myself away at home.
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I do not consider Tammy to be delusional.
I suspect that Tammy is no more delusional than yourself, probably no more delusional than me in fact who says travel is not the problem it is peoples actions on arrival and expect Tammy takes sensible care as I do when out.
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As said previously:
Absolute fact (and there are not many of those with covid) is that if you stop all travel it goes away.
its up to you and those like you whether we stop this virus or we chose to let 500 people a day die.
You appear to chose you own social preferences until the government put us back in lockdown again, the only way to stop this virus.
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"I have been on site during restrictions."
Er ..... why? Surely the logical corollary to what you've been saying (at great length) is that by going "on site" you've been just as responsible for spreading the virus as those you're so quick to condemn?
We have been going away, several trips, since the lockdown was lifted, but it's just the 2 of us, whether in a holiday cottage or our own caravan. We have also eaten out - we were encouraged to do so by the government for a while - we don't hang around in crowded areas, every one of the places we've eaten in have been well organised as far as covid precautions are concerned. If they weren't we'd have just walked out.
You stay at home if you wish, please don't condemn others who are acting perfectly reasonably at such a difficult time.
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The last lockdown didn't stop the virus. It is still out there. That is the problem with lockdowns, unless you keep them on until a vaccine is found they don't work. In addition the damage they do to the economy will probably be worse than the virus itself, both in terms of death and financially.
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'Fact' is a word that's become meaningless when used without care, as a means of justifying an opinion. So it is with your aggressive post. I think you know less, and understand less, than you think you do. A little more humility in your approach might help.
I'm with Tammy Girl!
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You truly have been unfortunate haven't you.
We've been on 21 sites/Cl's since the beginning of July both in Scotland and England. I have seen little of what you have described, yes folk have sometimes had friends/family round to their awning for a drink and chat. Whether they were in each others bubble I wouldn't know, how did you know?
If you follow the guidance and wash/sanitise your hands after touching things like taps and bins, don't socialise with others indoors wear a mask in areas you feel uncomfortable ( or leave ) the risk of catching or passing on the virus has to be reduced.
I appreciate that some folk are feeling vulnerable and want to stay at home. If I lived in an area of very high infection or a crowded city then I might feel the same but I don't and I won't visit them either.
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I know, it was when the virus had all but gone away, remember those times, a month ago! I was wrong, the govenment information was wrong, we all started to travel again. Turned out bad.
I do condemn because we now know that the only way to stop the virus is not to travel. Everyone.
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Yes. Australia and New Zealand understand this and obey it - and it is working.
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It is not any greater if you don't get close to anyone, which we don't. I personally cannot see how the risk of infection would be any greater at zone 3 Clumber site, than it would walking in our local area some 6 miles away. Not that we intend going.
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If you thought that it had almost gone away at the start of September then (I won't say that you were deluded but were ill informed. maybe you just got your dates wrong.
Most of us realise that it is not travel that causes increases in infection but behaviour on arrival
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It's not the travel that spreads the virus, it's the interaction between individuals.
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"What I will not do is become so frightened by others to lock myself away at home."
TG, please do not assume that we who choose to stay at home are frightened. It is my reasoned judgement that to stay put in a relatively safe and lovely area is the sensible thing to do. We each make our own decisions, hopefully within the bounds of the regs, but fright has nothing whatsoever to do with it.
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People are dying in huge numbers because people chose not to understand that travel causes this virus to persist, multiply and cause devastation.
I am sorry if my posts are curt and confrontational but I really think the severity of the situation warrants it.
I am not criticizing peoples choices but I will not stand by and let mutual appreciation society justify their decision not to be inconvenienced and justifying this by posting utter rubbish about how safe they are when they refuse to understand that by travelling they are the problem.
Stop travel, stop the virus.
Fact, if you want to question anything I have labelled as fact then please do so.
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Because the Hull Daily Mail are the worst reporters ever. They thrive on sensationalist headlines without the bones of a story, repeating themselves daily and ending up with several similar stories most of which are not factually correct
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I really am not having a go at you and no one is to blame for this horrific disease but we as a society have to do more.
I'm not convinced. There are dozens of natural coronavirus all of which affect young and old more or less equally. Of course the fitter the person the more easily they cope with the infection. CV19 seems different. It can almost be said that it targets the older and physically weaker members of society. If one wanted to thin out the world population CV19 let entirely free could do quite a good job.
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I'm not hiding at all, David. 🤣🤣
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"Folk driving around wearing masks or those wearing masks out in the open and crossing the road when they see anyone approaching"
You've made that same point before, but why do you assume you know what their motivation is? Why do you think it's out of "fright"? Why be so judgemental?
Let me give you an example - Mrs M is doing a lot of prescription deliveries for our local LINK service. She must wear a mask to collect the prescriptions and then again when delivering them. Sometimes it's a very short drive so rather than taking her mask off and then putting it on again she will leave it on (isn't the advice not to adjust/fiddle with them more than necessary?)
And crossing the road, or standing aside when passing someone else - isn't that thoughtful towards them? Nothing to do with fear whatsoever.
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You are also making general assumptions.
The other day I had to go into the bank to pay in a cheque as the outside ATM wasn't working. So I put a mask on. I then had to cross the road and go into the post office to send a letter to France. So should I have taken my mask off just to prove I wasn't frightened? Or just left it in situ (and not possibly contaminate it)? I then just left it on until I got back to the car park around the corner. No big deal and no frightened person here.
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"yes folk have sometimes had friends/family round to their awning for a drink and chat. Whether they were in each others bubble I wouldn't know, how did you know?"
Yes it is common for people from the same household to take two rigs from the same household and meet up for drinks on a campsite. Happens all the time. Delusional.
They were spreading virus but it was OK it was their friends they have known for years and they know they are OK.....
This is going on on every campsite, every day.
They then opened a gate, touched a handle, used the pot wash taps and sink, picked up a few brochures from the reception, emptied their cassette, filled their water butt. Left 50 places for you to catch the virus.
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But there is just as much interaction in doing everyday tasks such as shopping as there is in travelling - probably more. I'm not sure where your obsession with stopping all travel comes from? Have you a link to any evidence that it is travel rather that household/everyday interaction that is most responsible for the spread of the virus?
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