CL Closed for The Year
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Rufs, but the Test and Trace aren’t using your analogy. You original post was referring to the whole site having to self isolate but that wouldn’t happen.
If the one infected person had been using the on site facilities along with a possible high percentage of others on the site, you can be sure the authorities would isolate the site until such time that everybody had been tested.
Gloves, soap/water, sanitiser, i use all 3 depending on circumstances, personal choice, gloves are disposed of before entering house, you cant do this with hands.
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Difficult to find soap and water at some petrol stations, I use the disposable gloves at the pumps, unfortunately the gloves come out of the dispenser in multiples, and seeing I can't put them back in ...........
I can see their use on a camp site, plus wash hands as soon as practicable.
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The one owner is unhappy with the fact that some guest travel for several hours away and would probably have to stop for fuel/comfort breaks and there in lays his concern.
Our coming trip to North Norfolk will take about an hour so no stopping in or out and of course we will take all necessary precautions
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all our petrol stations have notices to the effect that you must wear gloves to use the pump, gloves to be thrown in outside bin and sanitiser used before paying.
I could see a similar regime being implemented on a CL without any great difficulty, on a site with 100+ units, very difficult. you can implement what you think is the safest regime possible, but, as ET says it does not stop somebody arriving on site that is already infected.
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We've just sent off for some cheap disposable gloves (our local garage had run out!) we'll be using them on an "only once" basis on site and elsewhere and washing our hands too. Not all CL CEP points are easy to use and they'll certainly be useful gloves to have.
ps Take all your own stuff and be prepared, don't rely on anything being provided or available.
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The one owner is unhappy with the fact that some guest travel for several hours away and would probably have to stop for fuel/comfort breaks and there in lays his concern.
Seems a futile concern, on its own, as it is likely that if folk stop for a comfort break etc (we generally don't) and use facilities on route it is just as likely that during their stay they will refuel, take comfort breaks etc.
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"If the one infected person had been using the on site facilities along with a possible high percentage of others on the site, you can be sure the authorities would isolate the site until such time that everybody had been tested".
What authorities? If you are concerned about the scenario above then it seems that maybe there are others that see it as as less risky than you seem to and..................
"Gloves, soap/water, sanitiser, i use all 3 depending on circumstances, personal choice, gloves are disposed of before entering house, you cant do this with hands."
That's why, as mentioned, washing your hands, or sanitzing when you cant use soap and water, is the best defence.
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Hi, I don't think it matters why a CL owner may decide not to open as its there decision to make as they see fit.
I do not however see how they will move forward if the reason is as stated in your previous post.
Unless there are CLs who's business model seems to be that they will only take people who can prove they do not have Covid 19, they do not leave the site and there is verifiable cleaning of all surfaces after ever use then it seems that some will not be happy to visit.
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What authorities? well i would have thought that would be self explanatory, local council, local health and safety, whoever is going to be responsible for testing the site
I know this scenario is very unlikely to happen, but not impossible, and as i said earlier, have not read all the club info, but just hope they have an action plan ready to put into action should the need arise,
whatever the government has pushed out seems daunting enough to put some CL's off of opening.
If you are concerned about the scenario above then it seems that maybe there are others that see it as as less risky than you seem to
as has been said on here many times, individual members are responsible for their own risk assesment whether it be a CL or site, personally i will not be touring for July & August so that i can make that assesment, but no hardship, we very rarely tour during those months anyway
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I reckon that with the present figure of 310,000 people in the country confirmed as infected with this virus, and something like the same number again infected but unconfirmed, a CL owner has got to be pretty desperate for income if he is to welcome visitors in July.
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I dont think this was the CL owners only concern, but it should be of concern to all, visitors going into an area and taking the virus with them, you only need to look at the news reports today re Leicester to gauge how real the risk is.,
it is just as likely that during their stay they will refuel, take comfort breaks etc.
well there are those who think people on site will be totally self sufficient without the need to go off site to mix with locals in shops etc, so sites will be havens of tranquility and of course virus free,
some CL's are probably more in tune with this mind set due to their location, but it will be a non starter on lots of main sites.
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Rufs, You would have thought?
Below is the text fro page 104 of the UK Hospitality guidance, which the .Gov website directs you to, regarding a situation with a confirmed or suspected case of covid.
You will see that even where someone is self isolating the advice is that if this extends past 14 days or they deteriorate the should call NHS 111.
How this would get to a situation as you describe is, as you say, very unlikely.
Looking at the guidance, 138 pages long, I can see why some CL owners are looking at the potential income versus the hassle and deciding not to bother.
TOURER, MOTORHOME AND TENT USERS
In addition to the foregoing, the person and the group will need to use a designated service point to get water and dispose of grey/black waste. When the person or group plan to use these facilities, they should contact the reception desk by phone to arrange a
specific time to do this. A park representative will need to clean the service point with the appropriate chemicals it can be used again.A member of the park’s team should be in regular contact by phone with any person selfisolating (or members of their group) to determine their condition.
If their symptoms deteriorate or extend beyond the 14-day period they should be advised to call NHS 111 for further advice.
All park communications with anyone self-isolating should be recorded – date, time and outcomes.
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I worry more about the asymptomatic person than those with obvious signs of the virus. They won’t know they have it, and can pass it on to folks more vulnerable.
All anyone can do is an individual risk assessment around any trip they are planning, including how they will cope if someone else on Site turns out to have tested positive. (Frankly, most will just scuttle back home as quickly as they can, but that’s the “flight” reaction in us all).
I think it’s up to individual CL owners to make their own minds up about what is best for them. Those that do choose to open will have to adhere to Govt’s “Covid Secure” guidance, and recognise the duty of care to visitors and the local community. Same with B&Bs, cottages, any other type of holiday accommodation. Likewise, visitors need to keep themselves, and of equal importance, others free from risk.
The simple fact is, like any other kind of pandemic, the virus needs two things to thrive and multiply. Humans in a certain proximity (not taking adequate precautions) and humans travelling around, causing new clusters.
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Gloves, soap/water, sanitiser, i use all 3 depending on circumstances, personal choice, gloves are disposed of before entering house, you cant do this with hands.
Each to their own Rufs but, although I work on the premise that the steering wheel etc in the car may be infected I know that it isn't. If I wore gloves until reaching home it could be. When I return to the car after going out I use an 80% alcohol hand sanitiser before touching anything other than the exterior door handle to get inside where the sanitiser awaits.
If the one infected person had been using the on site facilities along with a possible high percentage of others on the site, you can be sure the authorities would isolate the site until such time that everybody had been tested.
I find it unlikely that the authorities would take any such action Rufs
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Hi euror, I am not great at math's but if there are a potential 600000 people with the virus thats less than 1% of the UK population.
If we are to believe what we are told the majority of CLs are not making much money so would agree that they may need to be desperate but, that's probably as much to do with the hassle as the risk of infection..
I cant see it being a big bang change next week but if it goes OK the pace may well accelerate.
Just heard on BBC news that Eurotunnel had there busiest ever booking day yesterday at three times the bookings of the same day last year.
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if the one infected person had been using the on site facilities along with a possible high percentage of others on the site, you can be sure the authorities would isolate the site until such time that everybody had been tested.
I find it unlikely that the authorities would take any such action Ruf
well my logic is that if e.g. you were at a site in a place such as Cornwall, it would make sense to isolate say 200 people on a caravan site rather than have to isolate the whole of Cornwall, which is exactly what they are looking to do in e.g. leicester, lock down a known area of infection rather than Leicester as a whole.
so your logic is ???
as for CL not opening, I am sure they have looked very closely at their business, which may or may not be making a workable profit and when they read such as below from the gov guidance who wouldnt throw in the towel if you are 2 person ownership of a CL
TOURER, MOTORHOME AND TENT USERS
In addition to the foregoing, the person and the group will need to use a designated service point to get water and dispose of grey/black waste. When the person or group plan to use these facilities, they should contact the reception desk by phone to arrange a
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well my logic is that if e.g. you were at a site in a place such as Cornwall, it would make sense to isolate say 200 people on a caravan site rather than have to isolate the whole of Cornwall, which is exactly what they are looking to do in e.g. leicester, lock down a known area of infection rather than Leicester as a whole.
so your logic is ???
My logic?
Mayor Sir Peter Soulsby said there was "no immediate prospect" of a lockdown.
Ms Patel said she had spoken to Health Secretary Matt Hancock about a possible local lockdown, and said "extra support" would be going into the area.
Leicester South MP and shadow health secretary Jonathan Ashworth told the BBC's The World This Weekend he felt there was "no suggestion" a lockdown was about to happen.
"I received a briefing from the health secretary yesterday and yes, we have a spike in infections in Leicester and yes, we have to respond to that with extra testing capacity and extra support for the local authority," he said.
"But nobody is proposing a local lockdown in the way in which it appears to have been presented in some of the media today and me and Matt Hancock were at one with that."
Public Health England said it was "concerned" by the increase in cases in the city and urged residents to follow advice on hygiene, social distancing and testing.
It also said any tightening of restrictions locally, while such measures were eased elsewhere, would be "difficult" for the city.
Leicester has seen a number of Covid-19 cases in recent days.
Several schools have been affected. Herrick Primary in Rushey Mead; Moat Community College in Highfields; Whitehall Primary in Rowlatts Hill; and Humberstone Junior and Humberstone Infant academies have all closed for a number of days.
Business has been hit too, with three people testing positive at Sainsbury's supermarket in Melton Road, food manufacturer Samworth Brothers confirming a "handful" of cases at its Beaumont Leys sites and an unconfirmed number at the Pladis factory in South Wigston.
So the likelihood of a site being quarantined because of a single person infected is very small. Infinitesimal in fact.
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If thousands of touring outfits can make it home through seriously locked down Spain and France, I am under no illusions that five vans anywhere in UK will get home from a CL.
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Class others PPE responsibility for your safety as a bonus-you should care mainly about you, you know it makes sense👍🏻😊
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well Easy this is what Ms Patel said yesterday and i heard her
The city of Leicester may be facing a localised lockdown after a rise in coronavirus cases, Home Secretary Priti Patel has confirmed.
Speaking on the BBC's Andrew Marr Show, she said it was "correct" that the government was considering the move, reported in the Sunday Times
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