Coronavirus Discussion
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"Good move I thought testing it on the Isle of Wight"
What would have been a good move was to go with the experts in the first place. Why we thought we could come up with a better system beats me especially as you say " Microsoft still have not mastered the art of doing this after many years"
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But what they have found in other countries is that the Apple and Google applications both have problems in measuring distance, this is a quote re what was on offer in South Korea & i believe Singapore are just about to launch something similar, we could ask the question why did we not get into bed with South Korea, they were and are well ahead of the game, but one subtle differance, the authorities do not give a hoot about your privacy
"Moreover, any person with a smartphone in South Korea - almost the entire population, given that nine out of 10 South Koreans have one - gets location-based emergency messages that alert them when they are near a confirmed case of the novel coronavirus, also known as COVID-19"
"People get the messages automatically and are not allowed to opt out"
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Despite two major new outbreaks of CV19 in North Wales, both in food processing plants, one in the Wrexham area and the other on Anglesey amounting to over 100 cases, the First Minister will announce more easing of restrictions here in Wales lunchtime today. Shops will reopen from Monday, the 5 mile travel restriction will be lifted from 6th July ( easing in certain circumstances can take place immediately). Self catering holiday accommodation may open from 13th July. This included caravans. All schools to restart 29th June (hopefully). So some light at the end of this dark tunnel.
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Whichever way you dress it up they have abandoned the original app. They now have to decide whether they can achieve most of their aims with the Google/Apple app which is ready to go. It remains to be seen whether this app can be amended to give the extra information they require. He did at least admit that it didn't work in its current form. I would agree that it was a good idea to try it out in somewhere like the IOW. Given that they were apparently warned that the app would not work because of the connectivity problems its a shame that they were not a lot more measured when they launched all those months ago. At least the manual Track and Test is in place and seems to be working reasonably well although it needs work particularly in involving GP's at local level to get the number of non responses down.
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The new cases in these factories are ,I believe considered to be contained outbreaks. The strict measures adopted have led to the R rate generally to be 0.7 or under in Wales. Here in the South East new cases are now daily in single figures with very few deaths, at the height of the outbreak this was one of the worst areas in the whole of the UK. So unless major resurgence occurs, these announcements are likely to happen.
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I have been monitoring our local stats every day. After a very quiet period, no more than one or two, and some days no new cases, last two days have come as a bit of a shock. First six new cases, and then yesterday ten. No more details available to pinpoint exact areas, but it’s still out there. I saw Sheffield Children’s Hospital had a shocking death yesterday as well, a thirteen day old baby (no underlying issues) was taken in, but could not be resuscitated. Terribly sad for all concerned. We aren’t in an area that has had a huge number of cases, but that’s a big jump in just two days. We are still taking all precautions.
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no value at all, but in S Korea 9 out of 10 people have a mobile phone and you have to have it switched on with the app installed, not if's but's maybe's and that is why they were able to combat the virus in the very early stages. But having worked in S Korea, if some one in authority says jump, you ask how high, no quarter given, probably not the sort of regime we want in the UK, but it has some advantages.
"Routes taken by infected patients are published online regularly, while incoming travellers are required to report their symptoms daily on an app that they have to download on arrival at the airport"
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Leaving one’s Bluetooth on has always been considered a hacking risk.....
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Depends on dosage😁
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I never have my Bluetooth off TDA, never had issues either. Hacking/phishing & general cyber fraud can usually be put down to lax security/knowledge from the hackee🤷🏻♂️
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I would agree Rocky. It's those phishing texts / emails that they send thousands off. If one lands that ties in with opening an account, a car accident etc some folk will be tricked into opening a link and even supplying information, believing it to be genuine.
As far as the Bluetooths use in the tracking app is concerned, I think that if Apple had given the NHS people rights to use it as they wanted, there were security issues.
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That’s how we use ours M. We have a lot of devices in house, and it can get entertaining when we are using both phones, iPads and various speakers, headsets and the car. If OH is in car and ignition is on, I have to wait for him to drive off, otherwise he gets my secret phone calls to Sister😂
It was just a general comment, you do have to make sure things are secure with Bluetooth, as with anything else.
I see there’s been another food factory outbreak, this time in Kirklees area. Local council didn’t see fit to inform local community, they found out via Handcock’s Hour.
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Track and Trace is fine if (nearly) everyone gives the correct information, but at the moment about 25% of people with confirmed virus are either not giving any or the correct information so many possible cases cannot be traced.
As regards mobile phones in places like S Korea, something like 95% of the population has one and are,likely to download the app, much more than in this country, and so an app there is going to be so much more effective than over here. The attitude of a large number of people in the UK who dislike the fact that personal information will be used by outside sources to track them would certainly hinder the effectiveness of any app, as they are unlikely to download it.
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This is disgraceful if this is true. I have just copied part of this story from the BBC news report :- .............
“ During the briefing, Mr Hancock said: "Measuring distance is clearly mission critical to any contact-tracing app."
However, speaking to the Times, Apple said: "It is difficult to understand what these claims are as they haven't spoken to us."
The firm also pointed out that the tech was already either in use or intended for use in Germany, Italy, the Netherlands and Ireland.
The tech giant also expressed surprise that the UK was working on a new version of the contact-tracing app which incorporated the Apple-Google software tool.
"We've agreed to join forces with Google and Apple, to bring the best bits of both systems together," Mr Hancock said.
However, Apple said: "We don't know what they mean by this hybrid model. They haven't spoken to us about it." .............
😡🤬😡 Unbelievable!!!!!!
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I quite agree with you. I don't think an app will be as effective in this country as it has been in some other countries. When you still see people travelling on public transport without face coverings, people not bothering about social distancing when out, etc. I get the impression that a large proportion of the population are not too bothered about the virus and wont bother to download the app, especially if they think they will have to self isolate for days if in contact with an infected person.
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If people won't do as they are advised/asked to do, then having an app or track and trace is about as much use as a chocolate teapot.
We are seeing more and more people breaking the lockdown rules and not giving a dam.
Groups of more than 8 getting together in each others houses/gardens, more than one household meeting up in any one day. No one keeping their distance. Total madness they are treating it as if its all over.
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Fully agree, TG, I'm still doing what I / we were advised to do yonks ago ~~ Stay as solitary as I can, take great care to avoid the muppets when shopping etc. So far I've only had one cuppa at aged sisters house and then she put my coffee on the table in the garden and there I sat & supped !!
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We are doing the same ABM, not much has changed for us since late March. 🙂
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I forgot to post this link the other day, not sure if anyone has found it. It shows very local areas and number of C19 deaths in those local areas. You need to scroll down the link page until you come to the GB map with green dots on it. If you zoom in on the map, it will show very local areas. Gives an indication of where the large and small number of deaths have been. I don’t think it shows Scotland at local area though.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274
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I don't know what information you are asked to give if you have a test? It seems strange that someone who has a test then does not want to be contacted? There are some that think the method we use is too centralised and if it involved GP surgeries you would have greater success, assuming of course someone is registered with a GP?
I think sometimes we kid ourselves about privacy. Even without an app with are being monitored to a greater or lesser extent during our daily lives. I order something online, they (whoever they are!) know the time and place. If I use any kind of payment other than cash they know where I am. When I go into building or walk along the street I am being observed by CCTV cameras, even if I walk by my neighbours I am likely to be caught on camera. Whether downloading an App to my phone makes matters substantially worse in the scheme of things I am not sure.
David
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I use this website everyday to check the latest figures. Rather than use the map you can enter your postcode and it will show information regarding cases and deaths in your immediate area.
David
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