Corona Virus Concerns
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There is no doubt that the majority of the demonstrators were there acting peacefully, but you can't get away from the fact that it was unlawful under the present circumstances and could have caused serious problems as regards the virus. There nearly always is a small minority at these demonstrations who want to cause mayhem. I think under the circumstances the Police dealt with it pretty well. Hopefully the CCTV will have caught a lot of the trouble makers and they can now be arrested for any offences committed and dealt with. ( or am I being too optimistic)
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So, the whole (free) World is marching, (generally peaceably) as a sign that police brutality should no longer be tolerated, and the answer for some is to up the nasty toys and let them have it?
Its worrying seeing the crowds during this time of viral transmission, and I sincerely hope that it doesn’t have repercussions anywhere. But the difference for many is that they will chance the virus to protest against what for many many humans, purely based on their skin colour, is a lifetime of oppression for themselves and their loved ones.
To the ignorant or uncaring I suggest some quality reading, watch some documentaries, be better informed. And don’t forget that prejudice and discrimination comes in lots of different disguises, not just skin colour.
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and leaving it to those who know the law and know what can be done and what cannot.
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No Husky it is called getting professional, legal, and specialised advice rather than let people take the law into their own hands and using illegal brutal methods. Keep within the law?
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Is asking or seeing professional. or legal, or specialised advice sitting on the fence Husky? or is it best to let people take the law into their own hands?
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I don't have a problem with the law abiding people putting their view over by marching ,it's the minority than are causing a problem that need to be controlled
I don't have a problem with any colour creed or anything else ,and to me a person is a person irrespective of their background
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+1.
I think that most of those protesting knew the risks but thought that this was such an important issue to them and for everyone everywhere that they thought it was worth taking that risk?
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For many years i worked with?multi cultures and colours in a work enviroment that brought many together?
And as for any prejudice and tensions there was far more between the Bame populations, than there ever was (as some try to put forward) between the white and bame (not allowed to say colored? in this it seems , snowflake society we are now having to live with ,
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You mean until they cross a line then that person is no longer a person worthy of the protection the law gives them, and then they are to be controlled by any means necessary to be used against them
If we believe in law and order then it applies to all, whether you are law abiding or not, that to me is the crucial aspect of our law and order system and our country.
It is not for you or me to decide on a whim what means of control are to be used but only those allowed within the law, and the necessary means you have alluded yourself to are clearly not.
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+1, eloquently put TDA🤟🏻
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I am closing this thread for a few hours to allow everyone time to calm down. This thread is about Corona Virus Concerns. Discussing the recent demonstrations in that context is fine but many of you have gone way beyond that so I think we need a short period of reflection so that we can get back on course.
David
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I have utter respect for Black and Asian Police Officers, caught between a rock and a hard place. But if we had a culture that valued and respected every life equally, then every human would be free to fly and make the most of their lives.
I applied for our local Police force back in the 1980’s. It was considered a good force, hard to get into, you had to pass a lot of physical, educational, personality testing. I got through the lot. Then came final interview day. Me and 19 men. I was last in, as I sat waiting, nice friendly officer made sure I was ok, did I want a cup of tea. We got chatting, in course of conversation he said to me “ good luck, but this force isn’t recruiting women at the moment, try for the Met”. Guess what? They didn’t want me, had their “quota”, try the Met.
With hindsight, and a lot more experience, I could have taken them to the cleaners today. But I gave up. In fact had a lucky escape, a year later Orgreave, then Hillsborough. I had a good job, but wanted to serve my local community. I did it in other ways.
So I know all about discrimination, not being considered on a level playing field. A lot better for most women nowadays, but skin colour is still a big issue.
British Police are a world away from American Police thankfully.
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I'm not sure that demonstrations do that much good on the whole. I know that some have caused change in the past but many just cause more resentment especially when they are infiltrated by the troublemakers. I am sure that education is far better.
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I do not know where your post is coming from at all, or the relevance.
You accused TW of sitting on the fence for saying let those with the knowledge deal with the situation I replied to you saying asking for professional, legal... help is not sitting on the fence.
Now you reply with this? I do not understand the reference, are you trying to use a red herring to distance yourself away from your previous posts and viewpoints with this?
Are you reading my posts HD? I have stated a number of times you can have (within the law) an opinion and nothing wrong with that.
are you trying to get this thread closed?
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I don't get any of this rubbish,
My concern is that the R number is rising and in area's this is happening these mass protestors don't seem to give a damn.
Why protest over something, right or wrong, that happened in America, I just don't get it!
Or is it just that the University's colleges etc are closed and these people have nothing better to do, a bit like the 18-30 lot on the beaches.
Oh well I got my tablets last week, another 3 months supply for the second wave/lockdown
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The rise in the R concerns me as well, RJ. It concerns me in general but in this area in particular. At this stage it seems likely to my mind that the easing of lockdown is the cause resulting in too many people rushing to get to the popular spots. Durdle Door was a classic example of social distancing going out of the window.
The protests may well result in a further increase in R but it's too soon to know yet.
(Thanks for unlocking the thread, DK)
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There was certainly little in the way of social distancing being observed in the aerial shots shown on TV. Made those on the beaches last weekend look positively spaced out. Given that lots were shouting their point of view, even with masks there has to be the likelihood of transmission. I think it unlikely that it won't affect R. Hopefully it will be small.🤞
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Why protest over something, right or wrong, that happened in America, I just don't get it!
Neither do I, I have been searching for answers, those I have seen are not entirely convincing and certainly vilolence does the cause no good at all. I hope the peaceful majority relise this and cease demonstrations which might only serve to fuel thuggery and help spread the virus.
peedee
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What I saw was rioting and violence, going by the chart I don’t what their problem is , more white people die in police custody
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Bristol is the largest city in the southwest where the infection rate is already one of the highest in the country, so the scenes there yesterday must be very worrying for that area. I think the protests have developed into other causes, not just the Police brutality in America. In Bristol I just hope that they now believe they have achieved their aim of ridding their city of a statue of a man who they have learned to detest and that the rioting will stop. I hope they don't go on to vandalising the schools and hospitals which he helped to build with the money from the slave trade. The services of which many of the protesters have probably had the benefit of.
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Education?, how has that gone over the last 400 years☹️
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while the chief constable of Bristol is interviewed by the BBC and states that his guys did a good job, even though rent a mob had just rolled the statue into the river without any intervention or police arrests, then this sort of thuggery will continue, sorry to say
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Their problem is racism generally, how the colour of their skin impacts on their lives & have done for hundreds of years. It’s as simple as that.
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I was talking to my local paper shop owner yesterday about this (they are from India) and their view is that too many coloured people have a chip on their shoulder and pull the race card when they can’t get their own way . Their words not mine . They are the nicest people you could meet and always helpful and taking part in our community, more than can be said for the previous owner , a white chap who was miserable and you only when in the shop if you had too
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See above ,and when the talk of racism ,always it seems to be white against black there is far more in the last 30yrs or so of black on black which is not "accepted" by those who do not like to admit it is more of a problem and as Huskys graph shows how wrong those who tend to shout loudest are
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You either have empathy or are in denial, those in denial will constantly look for tiny morsels to gloss over the issues. It’s very sad. You carry on with your head in the sand & your merry band of supporters. It’s not for me.
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