How do we proceed July onwards
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I quite agree and that is why New York and London have had so many cases.
Before this pandemic reached the UK Sir Patrick Vallance did mention that a good result would be to "contain the number of deaths to 20000 " which did seem a colossal number but unfortunately that milestone will be achieved today.
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Agree it’s flawed, heavily reliant upon Gov figures for most areas. For some reason it comes up with nil for lots of places, so I am guessing still reliant upon local authority information.
In terms of comparison by country, all I can find is death rate percentage per million population. Using this, the UK’s death rate is dire, we could end up having the largest death rate per million. However, I don’t know the accuracy of statistics, because again how are they compiled? There’s an awful lot of speculation. I doubt UK statistics are accurate, as can’t remember what they are counting now, deaths in hospitals, deaths including care homes, deaths (c19 related) in the community? And are statistics in other countries compiled using same available information? It’s all done with a degree of speculation🤷♀️
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Back to the OP. I too think it will be highly unlikely that sites will have reopened by then, I hope that I am proved wrong. We are still keeping end Aug and Sep free in our empty diaries for our late summer hols but again think it unlikely that we will be going. We are both healthy but age vulnerable. Last week put the caravan on axle stands and removed the wheels for storage. However, the caravan is ready to go - full gas and battery charged etc - should the situation change. Have got my credit note from Eurotunnel for my cancelled May crossing, just have to make another booking by the end March 2021.
On the plus side, the garden is looking very nice and have been able to start on my tan! Like to remain half full
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dont the numbers speak for themselves?
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but Italy and Spain are further along the curve than the UK and the absolute deaths number here will rise for a good while yet as those for Italy and Spain start to tail off....
thus moving the UK 'deaths per million' closer to the top of that 'league'.
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No they don’t. Is David talking of the overall rates yesterday or the rate per million of population? In any case they can't be like for like as we are ahead of the USA in the curve whilst parts of Europe are ahead of us.
We'll just have to guess what he meant. 🤷🏻♂️
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we?.....you
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Anyone with a questioning mind👍🏻
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we.....you?
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If it makes you happy, then so be it🤣🤣🤣
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I wouldn't be surprised if we see 30,000 before we get to a significant drop in the daily rate.
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But surely The Lakes cannot be described other than a tourist area, CC. You may well be away from people on the fells but where you stay will bound to be busy as folks will flood there as soon as the starting gun is fired.
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Certainly doesn't work for me, tried both post code and town name without any joy. Tried Kendal and it showed no cases but that's not correct as there have definitely been some there, although they do get sent to Lancaster as,there's no ICU at Kendal.
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As we have the second largest population in Europe the number of deaths so far per head of population is well below those of Spain, Italy , France and top of the list Belgium, which is currently double our rate. Perhaps one of the reasons our rate is high is that we have a large number of inhabitants in a relatively small area.
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It was you that raised the spectrum of numbers, David, not I. All I did was indicate that there are different ways to look at the figures. I'm reassured in as much that I think that the NHS and the Government are doing every with their power to keep the numbers dying to as low as they possibly can.
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"Large number of inhabitants in a relatively small area" - try tne 7 million people in Hong Kong and the fact that there have been just 4 Covid deaths. The UK hasn't done very well at all.
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If you want to believe some of the figures that are being given for the number of cases in most countries and the number of deaths that's your concern, however IMO the vast majority of governments are hiding the truth about the spread the virus in their countries.
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We ought to ask Vladimir Putin how he does it too, well done mother Russia👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻
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If anyone really wants to turn this worldwide tragedy into a "who did best" League competition, here's a sobering thought - since population density is undoubtedly a factor in the spread of the pandemic, it might be illuminating to divide the number of deaths in any (major) country by the population density given in this table to establish the effectiveness of measures taken in different countries. Try comparing the UK with USA for example.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/countries-by-density/
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I do apologise if the website I gave the link to isn’t working for others. It comes up with the same Gov figures for me. I have since found another much more local source of information, however it is a few days behind.
Just as an aside, on the Worldometer site, I think a lot of the actual cases and death statistics are very misleading. There are just so many countries where it’s unlikely the statistics are a reliable representation. And North Korea of course appears to be the healthiest place on Earth?
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Exactly my point, tda, many of those countries don't have the infrastructure for testing for the virus, or the ability to gather the necessary statistics to give an accurate picture of those infected with the virus.
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This was an interesting report moulesy. Our son and family live in Macau, which appears to have the highest population density in the world. At present they are clear of Covid -19 and have started to relax SOME restrictions. Restaurants are open, with the required distancing measures. They must all wear face masks when outside (except our 1 year old granddaughter!). Macau still requires any travellers from outside Macau to quarantine for 14 days in a specific hotel at own cost before they can move around. It appears to have worked for them so far.
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when one looks at population density, there needs to be some care as countries like Spain and France have huge concentrations of people in a relatively small number of large cities...
i cant remember the numbers but its a vit like the 80/20 rule with 80% of the people in 20% (or less) of the space.
similar with the USA with vast areas of very sparsely populated areas mixed with many large, densely populated cities.
many of the states that got in the top part of the 'density' list are tiny... Monaco and some other (caribbean) islands..
with its smaller area the UK (especially England) has all the large cities but nowhere near the large open spaces of France, Spain or the USA.
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