How do we proceed July onwards
Taking in account all the info thrown at us, l am going to proceed with my bookings, hoping the Government allows us to travel l have booked Sandringham in July, ferry meadows August maybe changed to Blackpool, my Grandson lives in Lytham and we share the same Birthday the glorious 12th, not seen him since end of Feb apart from on the wife's ipad, Bridlington in September, was going their in July couldn't believe the price for week £260, dropped £50 in September. Hoping we will be allowed to travel, anyone got any thoughts if the lockdown would be lifted, the one thing that might cause a problem if they insist us oldies stay at home.
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As has been suggested in the other threads on the subject, I can't see us going anywhere for quite a while. I'll be very surprised if sites open in July and, if they do, I'm not sure I want to be there.
Irrespective if Govt directives, we've taken all this trouble to stay safe so it seems a little crazy to contemplate travel and sharing spaces with others in just over two months time. Why risk undoing all that good work and why risk your life?
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First Minister of Scotland has said no large gatherings are likely to be allowed for the rest of this year.
Steve
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Like others I think it will be long time. We have a booking for August but in a 'tourist' area and we might change it for the lakes where we can go off up hills on our own more, but I think that too is highly optimistic.
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We probably like many more that have holidays booked are waiting to see what is happening in a couple of months time. We have a week away in the van already booked every month, and all on serviced pitches, if we do go anywhere later in the year we will use our own shower and toilet, and still not mix in groups, but we will see what happens later.
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weve nothing booked, never do. my expectations are very low re: getting away.
we have a 'potential meet' with pals in South of France at end of Sept but they are over 70 and restrictions might be a bit different even if relaxed for some other groups.
i doubt we will get there but, as Steve says, a lot can happen in that time.
our Jan '21 trip to Spain and Spring in Italy look a little more likely.
our 'graph' at the daily briefing seems to be tracking Italy very closely.
while viewed as a basket case a few weeks back, their case/death graph trends make better reading now (notwithstanding the tragic total number of deaths there).
our graph is nowhere near as 'advanced' (time wise) as theirs but, while nimbers are still high, they seem to have 'flattened the curve' and more, certainly on this wave.
stick at it and stay safe....for a good while yet.
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Apart from feeling that "you are doing something" I don't see the point about making bookings at the moment. Some studies suggest that even if all restrictions were removed tomorrow many people would continue to live their lives much as they have been doing for the last five weeks until they are certain they will be safe. It also presupposes that there will be a massive pent up demand for campsites once they are open which may not be the case especially for instance if the sites decide to open but not immediately to open their facility blocks in order to maintain hygiene and social distancing. When I am ready to go camping again I will look to see what is available and book accordingly, at the time.
David
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The reason for booking was to secure service pitches where possible. That means that with the exception of emptying the toilet cassette, we can be self contained on our pitch for the duration of our stay. We did find when at Hawes just before the lock down, that the water didn't seem to last long, due to all the additional hand washing etc.
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We've got a booking in July (our first visit to a club site) which I'm not expecting to go ahead but at least no deposit paid.
We do hope to be able to get away for other booking in mid September to Cumbria, (outside the Lake District itself). It's a CL site, where if experience is anything to go by we can still maintain social distancing. We go away to climb mountains and walk in the fells and because our 2 dogs are constantly with us we don't visit tourist attractions or shops. To be honest we tend to keep pretty much to ourselves when away, hence our love of cl sites but I will miss the odd evening out in village pubs.
However, ultimately our decision will be based on what happens over the next few months as there are still so many unknown factors with this virus.
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Sums us up as well, the bells.
Being able to safely visit my Mum and give her a hug tops my current wish list at the moment.
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That means that with the exception of emptying the toilet cassette, we can be self contained on our pitch for the duration of our stay.
Not planning to go away particuarly as we dont often tour in the UK after October, however, the above would concern me.
Somebody has suggested that the club may keep the facilities blocks closed. Chemical waste disposal points are not the most hygenic of places under normal circumstance, now you have the potential for say 100 units all using 1 disposal point, and of course you will have to empty much more frequently.
We normally only use our onboard loo for number 1's during the night so only empty every 3-4 days, and i think a lot of people do the same, but i am sure if your onboard facilities are all that are available much more frequent emptying will be required, so probably much more queueing, and wardens are always complaining about the stuff folk put down the chemical that causes blockages, imagine if this was out of action for even a day
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I agree, I just wish the government would come out and openly tell us. That way those of us who have paid a deposit can claim it back.
Going away is not a priority, staying well is.
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as you say, David, their lockdown regimes have been tougher (and more effective?) than ours....
weve still got an awfully long way to go, but hopefully months, not years...
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I think our rates of infection, and very sadly our number of fatalities is going to be very bad. It’s difficult trying to compare statistics, because you don’t know the background, reporting methods, accuracy of what you are comparing, but we appear to have very high death rate, and it’s way too early to even be contemplating moving around into different areas of country. The only figures I check daily are those for our immediate locality. So far, very low, and no deaths. Still only a quick check, as I don’t have the background to statistics, but it’s keeping us alert and informed.
I note Wales have put in place more severe restriction guidance.
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tda, how do you check those and how small is the 'immediate' area?
yes. the wales i just read covered exercise
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If you want more information, TDA, someone called 'Travelling Tabby' started a reporting system, initially to monitor infection and fatality rates in Scotland. He has expanded his data collection to include each UK country and comparisons with the major countries where the pandemic has wreaked most havoc.
Tabby updates his figures by 3pm each day.
https://www.travellingtabby.com/scotland-coronavirus-tracker/
Steve
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a different approach....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52395866
swedes are social distancing off their own bats, because its the right thing to do rather than because theyve been told to...ony time will tell if this voluntary stance proves better/worse
some continental towns (and Poundbury) have no road markings or signs and traffic proximity is managed via caution..a not dissimilar approach to being bombarded with signs (or lockdown rules)
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I came across this website BB, no idea what the website is all about, (possibly pregnancy related🤷♀️) but it appears to have a dedicated C19 section. If you put in your post code, it comes up with a bit of an explanation of how the figures are determined, mainly it seems by trawling a number of sources, primarily the Gov ones, but also more local sources and from local input as well. It gives a cases, deaths, suspected cases summary.
As far as I can see, comparing it with other sources, it seems fairly reliable. It’s useful for getting a more local picture, which is what is determining our day to day living and activity range. The Gov/BBC figures are based on local authority sources, so some places, such as big towns are listed, but then you only get whole County figures for places like North Yorks or Cornwall. Which is rather vague to be honest.
I am sure it will be flawed somewhere, but it does allow a bit more localisation. It works for our post code, hope it works elsewhere as well.
https://www.ovulation-calculators.com/coronavirus/gb/
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Yesterday -
USA total deaths 52193
UK total deaths 19506
USA new deaths 1959
UK new deaths 768
Yes, we have too many but it’s nowhere near the USA level. Can you elaborate, David?
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The website I highlighted still seems very dependent upon Gov information, certainly not coming up with data for some localities, so as I said, be wary, and don’t put a huge degree of reliance upon it. For our town it’s obviously linked with other sources, so it is useful.
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TTDA, I tried your link and asked for number of Covid-19 deaths in Plymouth UK - my nearest city. It tells me there have been none !
I don't believe it. The Plymouth city hospital at Derriford was reporting 56 deaths up to yesterday - probably more by now - plus an unknown number of others in care homes, hospices and people at home. The link doesn't give me any accuracy down here !
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It was a sensible question in response to your post, David, and I hoped you would explain your thinking. 😟
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You are correct, Euro. The sad daily toll for Plymouth is given on our local news and a friend's neighbour accounts for one.
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The most important figure is the deaths per million of population
Currently Spain 482
Italy 430
France 341
UK 287
USA 158
Germany 69
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