Ever the optimist!
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The people operating businesses that rely on tourism are also interested in surviving in good health, MT. There is Govt help available for some and each and every one of those business folk will want good trade in future years so will surely see the sense in sacrificing trade this year.
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Some holiday businesses have been helpful in offering accommodation and hotel rooms for key workers who can't go home. When the time comes for opening up trade everything will hinge on whether the hospitals could still cope with a second outbreak and in the SW this would be a problem. So there is much to plan in the future.
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Oh don't get me wrong I agree but I bet they would like to get back to some normality like the rest of us as soon as it is safe to do so, my comments were based on DEBSC comments that he does not want anyone to visit his area (Devon) once they are allowed and I said I bet people who work in tourism etc will think opposite so please get off high horse and read what I was replying to because once the restrictions are lifted you can bet your bottom dollar the help currently given will go so anyone furloughed will not get 80% pay and if no one visits their tourist attraction because DEBSC and the like make such a fuss for people to stay away then those businesses will close and may never open as some may say well when it was all over they did not want us to visit so we will visit somewhere where we were made welcome not only by the tourist attractions but by the locals too. just saying you cannot have your cake and eat it....
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No high horse here, MT. You probably need to live here to understand the point of view Debsc and I have and, yes, I did read her post.
Btw, I think you’ve won this year's award for posting the longest sentence.😂
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Quite so. Fisherman has posted very eloquently on the situation in Wales.
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I think the point about the South West is the relative lack of hospital facilities though. Probably the worst provided for area of the country. And that is one of the reasons why I can't see restrictions being lifted before September at the earliest. I just can't see the government wanting to risk things until after the traditional July/August period. I hope I'm wrong, but safety of the majority (and primarily residents in any area) must come first.
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Reasons to be cheerful...??
this says it all way better than i could...they dont make 'em like this any more....(song or artist)...
Summer, Buddy Holly, the working folly
Good golly, Miss Molly and boats
Hammersmith Palais, the Bolshoi Ballet
Jump back in the alley and nanny goatsEighteen wheeler Scammells, Dominica camels
All other mammals plus equal votes
Seeing Piccadilly, Fanny Smith and Willie
Being rather silly and porridge oatsA bit of grin and bear it, a bit of come and share it
You're welcome we can spare it, yellow socks
Too short to be haughty, too nutty to be naughty
Going on forty no electric shocksThe juice of a carrot, the smile of a parrot
A little drop of claret, anything that rocks
Elvis and Scotty, the days when I ain't spotty
Sitting on a potty, curing smallpoxReasons to be cheerful, part three
Reasons to be cheerful, part three
Reasons to be cheerful, part three
Reasons to be cheerful, one, two, three
Reasons to be cheerful, part threeHealth service glasses, gigolos and brasses
Round or skinny bottoms
Take your mum to Paris, lighting up a chalice
Wee Willie HarrisBantu Steven Biko, listening to Rico
Harpo Groucho Chico
Cheddar cheese and pickle, a Vincent motorsickle
Slap and tickleWoody Allen, Dali, Domitrie and Pascale
Balla, balla, balla and Volare
Something nice to study, phoning up a buddy
Being in my nuddySaying okey-dokey, sing-a-long a Smokie
Coming out of chokie
John Coltrane's soprano, Adie Celentano
Beuno ColinoReasons to be cheerful, part three
Reasons to be cheerful, part three
Reasons to be cheerful, part three
Reasons to be cheerful, one, two, threeYes, yes, dear, dear
Perhaps next year
Or maybe even now
In which caseWoody Allan, Dali, Domitrie and Pascale
Balla, balla, balla and Volare
Something nice to study, phoning up a buddy
Being in my nuddySaying okey-dokey, sing-a-long a Smokie
Coming out a chokie
John Coltrane's soprano, Adie Celentano
Beuno ColinoReasons to be cheerful, part three
Reasons to be cheerful, part three
Reasons to be cheerful, part three
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"When the time comes for opening up trade everything will hinge on whether the hospitals could still cope with a second outbreak and in the SW this would be a problem. So there is much to plan in the future."
"I think the point about the South West is the relative lack of hospital facilities though. Probably the worst provided for area of the country."
referring to several recent comments regarding SW hospitals and their ability to deal with this situation...
does anyone actually know what the 'hospital capacity' of the South West is and now much of it is being used at present?
on the daily National Graphs we see the total numbers of CV hospital patients (demand) coming down, however more capacity is still being built.
London has seen a marked drop in numbers while other areas like the SW have remained flat...obviously at a much lower level.
What these graphs dont show (and i certainly dont know) is how each area's demand equates to its available capacity.
with case numbers starting to level off (hence this section of discussion about easing of lockdown) and capacity being increased, it seems like everyone needing one is getting a bed?
i dont know the numbers but from the last few posts, it seem there are folk who seem to...?
care to share?
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All I know, BB, is that Treliske, which is Cornwall's only general hospital, is stretched every summer due to the influx of tourists and every winter due to 'normal' winter illnesses. Ambulances queued outside A&E unable to offload patients due to the sheer number of cases is a frequent occurrence.
Patients are getting beds but, as in the rest of the country, it’s at the expense of those requiring routine treatments and surgery. Private hospitals have also been taken over by the NHS meaning anyone who normally pays for treatment no longer has that option and they too are now placing more workload on the NHS.
Imagine that scenario magnified by x amount due to Covid19 cases whether home grown or being experienced by an influx of visitors. It's a bad time and resources shouldn't be tested further.
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Normally 15 intensive care beds to cover the whole of Cornwall and even if the plans to increase 10 fold ever came to fruition the hospital would still be stretched beyond capacity if the restrictions were prematurely lifted and a second (or further) "peak" occurred. No idea how that compares with, say Bristol or Swindon but then they don't attract huge numbers of holiday makers.
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looking at the presented graph again just now, it shows around 750 SW Covid patients, flat at this level for many, many day....
i just wondered what the capacity is and how it compares to 750.
other component areas within "South West' must be significantly higher than 15 for the total to be at 750.
again. we dont ever see the comparison but we are told that there is 'capacity'....this may be across the country and specific areas might be 'worse/better' than others.
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Some of the ICUs in the SW offer specialist provision for certain types of treatment so people have to travel to them if needed. I do know that one of them has not had all their ICU beds filled due to Covid19, but that might have been a blip. In the meantime there is a backlog of delayed treatments for those without Covid19. It's going to take longer to work through those lists without an influx of holidaymakers coming along suffering attacks from seagulls, severe loss of chips, jelly fish stings, rescued from the sea on inflatable swans etc....
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When I speak of holiday makers coming here some people seem to get on their high horse and believe that I am just being nasty, I am not I am genuinely very worried for my family and myself - as no doubt we all are. Last year I waited an hour in traffic on a small road to travel less than a mile to get into our supermarket as the roads become so conjested at holiday time. Our one small hospital for 50 miles always struggles, as does the ambulance service and the Police. I'm sure that readers on here act appropriately on holiday, unfortunately a lot don't. My daughter, who lives in a coastal village, on the majority of summer mornings has to tip a bowl of disinfectant water over her front door step as someone will have vomited there the night before. Our population becomes so much higher in the summer it's difficult to cope, we get used to empty supermarket shelves. I'm only saying that this year we are worried, as must be other tourist areas.
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well, the message was pretty clear from Chris Whitty in that there are only two 'absolute' ways of defeating this and preventing the large loss of life....
a vaccine (to prevent) or drugs (to treat)... neither of which will be available to the general populous for 'the calendar year', i believe he said...
the social 'inconveniences' that we are now putting up with are merely secondary defences, designed to slow the spread while giving time for services to ramp up to deal with the effect.
although the infection rate may slow (and deaths too....one of the key measures of lockdown easing) its going to be a 'considerable time' before full relaxation and it may well be quite a while (months) before a lifting of travel restrictions sees hoardes of tourists visiting anywhere..
the Govt will have to look carefully at their options and deliver an 'easing package' that sees a bit of 'give' but nothing that could contribute towards a second wave.
balancing this (personal freedom) against the spike risk and economic elements will be something that no Govt will be able 'to get right'.
more of the same for a (very) good while yet?
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Have you ever thought of moving?
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See, every cloud has a silver lining👍🏻
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We had word today from Lanzarote that, Senor Torres,who is President of the Canary Islands has confirmed that the reinstigation of the international tourism would follow a three phase plan.
This is part of his speech.
Residents of the Canaries will take first priority, with movement of local being introduced first.
The second phase will see Spaniards from the countries mainland able to visit the Canary Islands.
Finally, holidaymakers from abroad will once again will be able to access the islands.
Torres continued: That way, in October, November or December, which are good months in the Canary Islands, we can begin to receive tourist from other countries.
I wonder if we will see this type of thing all across Europe. If so it could well be that our next visit will be 2021.
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Evening
You're last sentence TG pretty much sums up my opinion
JK
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Most probably will Brian but you know, I can put that on hold. More important that we're all still here eh? We'd planned to "move" there last November but delving into Spanish beaurocracy has taken an age. So, we were all set for the move this September but I'm guessing we won't see the Spanish sun this year! Fingers crossed this country muddles through and we see better times.
JK
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