Corona Virus Concerns
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why would we (certainly not me) want to be encouraging deliveries of a few plants?
this thread happily kicks any 'transgessors' out and about yet we (again, certainly not me) complain we cant get the local store 'man' to pop round with our 'absolutely vital' bedding plants.
dont the Saints on this thread want those poor drivers to 'stay at home, protect the NHS and save lives' or doesnt it matter for flowers....?
or a bit of ready mix or...
what a thread this is......
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A lot of plants come via the post BB, they're not arriving in lorries unless they're trees, it's a bit dry and warm for tree planting just now. As in other times of distress people like to grow things, for some it's a survival mode so a few flowers and veg will not harm anyone...just wash everything off when it arrives.
A bit of ready mix...yes, doing jobs as per normal, repairing things that need it, the world doesn't need to fall apart does it?
By the way no-one has said anything is absolutely vital. I suppose some might use it as an excuse to sit back and do nothing at all....?
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We've had a few flowers and plants delivered recently (as tributes and condolences) but they were by the usual companies and people that amazon and co use, not the supermarket vans. Some of the smaller ones and cars appear to be self employed.
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It's not a few plants it's a lot or I wouldn't bother. We live beside a wood and most of our garden is shady so I have lots of containers and tubs close to the house, where we do get some Sun. Due to the wet winter I seem to have lost a lot of garden plants so was looking to replace them all. Also, and more to the point, I saw a news report that growers were having to dump their plants because people couldn't get out to buy them. So I was trying local nurseries first, in the hope of helping small businesses at his time. And yes I admit I would like to be able to do something constructive in my garden, sorry.
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my point (which you all so neatly sidestepped) was that these delivery drivers are not conducting 'essential' transport...and ordering from them isnt helping to keep traffic volumes down.
sorry Debbs and others.... in 'times of distress' we all like to do certain things....go fishing, play a bit of golf, travel to our second home, replace pur plants but we cant as weve been asked to cut down on unnecessary travel.
having delivery drivers drop off plants to outlying areas is not essential travel...whether the pots are wiped or not...
i wipe my golf club evrytime i play....im sure the guy i saw driving to his local fishing spot wipes his rod....but the thing is, he shouldnt be there, i wont be there playing, i will be at home....
as should all non essential van drivers....or private cars doing the same sort of thing..
farmers are having to dump milk, garden centres are dumping flowers, its really tough but this is part of the collateral damage that goes with containing this virus...
as others have been fast to criticise, ill say that ordering non essntial good which require delivery is as selfish as some of the earlier criticised actions....
yes, the A303 was quiet today, apart from a few garden centre delivery vans.
not a good thing.
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We are lucky. Our lovely local nursery has got together with a couple of local farms, and they are doing veg and fruit, milk and egg deliveries. Nursery is happy to put plants, compost etc..... on delivery van. It’s all done no contact, pay remote, drop and leave. So same as a food shop. The nursery won’t deliver just a plant drop though, they insist a food order is done as well. If it keeps them going, good luck to them. Single delivery driver, gloves on, precautions taken.
Edit. BB posted after I had started to compose my post, so I will add that it’s been difficult to get eggs, milk occasionally up here, and some of the supermarket veg is less than appealing, so the veg and fruit boxes are going down a storm here. It’s one person, in one van, so the delivery is very much as and when, and what you get is a mystery up to the point of delivery. But unlike supermarket veg, it’s such fabulous quality it keeps a lot longer. 🙂
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was that these delivery drivers are not conducting 'essential' transport...and ordering from them isnt helping to keep traffic volumes down
I disagree, Halfords, B&Q. Amazon, Cotswold outdoor, Cotwolds furniture... the list goes on all will deliver their goods, rather than us going to them so one van delivers to hundreds rather than hundred people driving to their stores so of course it cuts down on traffic. As Number 10 and various police forces have said (after being brought up to speed on it) there is no restriction on what one can buy from shops that are open or by delivery. Where does it say anywhere about keeping traffic volume down anyway I may have missed that point?
ill say that ordering non essntial good which require delivery is as selfish as some of the earlier criticised actions....
Again disagree, most people on here are going on about putting people's lives at risk by travelling to second homes or not staying at home, not getting stuff delivered which involves no breaking of the 2m rule, and if No. Ten and police forces do not say what is an essential item then really neither can you.
I suppose you think the flowers delivered to us were non essential? But I suspect there are things you had bought or had delivered that could be considered by many as non-essential. As you keep bringing in religious comments over the last few days, let he who is without sin....
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Whether local deliveries from garden centres are essential or not, I wouldn’t like to call but I can’t see a correlation between that and second home owners and holiday makers making journeys of hundreds of miles purely for pleasure. The latter is certainly wrong but the former is debatable and in the case TDA quoted would seem to be to deliver essential goods.
Did you travel 10 miles or so from home to the A303 just to check the garden centre delivery vans, BB? 🤣
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Have you really had nothing delivered to your home BB since 23rd March? We have had all sorts of stuff, some essential, some not so essential. But I thought that is was the “only leave your home for essentials” that was the underlying principal of keeping folks safe. I could be wrong, but haven’t seen anything about stuff delivered, as long as the supplier is open and trading? Most of the food companies have moved over to online deliveries, or click and collect. Personally, I wouldn’t use click and collect for anything but essentials, but that’s maybe just me not wanting to go out.
I’ve got a new bra on it’s way, they offered me 10% off, so I went for it, meanwhile old bra........
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One town in Derbyshire has come up with a rather unique way to fight lockdown boredom - by mooing in unison.
At half-past six every evening locals in Belper gather on doorsteps and lean out of windows for a two-minute chorus of cattle impressions.
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obviously used the traffic cams....
...as, presumably Brue did yesterday...although she didnt answer when i queried her knowledge of the state of the road...having supermarket vans deliver food (especially vital for those who cant/shouldn't go to supermarkets is one thing....and if the supermarket can add flowers, fine.....) but having a garden chair or a box of plants from a company that does not deal in 'essentials' isnt a good thing in my book.
but lets just carry on slagging off who ever appears in the news, or has a new car or....we can all skew it how we like to appear righteous...
and there a mighty large dose of that here....
what a thread this is
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Personally I think it's counter productive to conflate the two issues of local delivery drivers and idiots deliberately flouting the lockdown rules by driving long distances and then scratching around for ways to justify their actions.
There have been plenty of examples of police forces asking for help in bringing cases of rule breaking to their attention and I don't think anyone should be made to feel embarrassed about doing just that. If that makes me self righteous or a "saint" well, I'll just have to live with that.
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I really didn’t deserve that response! I don’t think I’ve appeared righteous at all. I’ll leave that to you as you're sitting in judgement on this thread with your repeated comment of "what a thread this is". 😤
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I think it’s just about different interpretations BB, which everyone is entitled to have. Some examples of not complying with the lockdown are so blatantly outside of expectations that they beggar belief amongst the majority, especially the case of a politician who is actually delivering the message, then so selfishly doing the very opposite. The Scottish civil servant who did this resigned. But I very much doubt the politician will.
If you have an opinion that isn’t that of the vast majority of folks, then it’s ok to voice it, but unless the evidence in support of that opinion doesn’t overwhelmingly justify it, it’s bound to be dissected and discussed, and probably not agreed with even then. But that’s just debate, banter.🙂
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Very eloquently put, M.
As I suggested before, it’s two separate issues.
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BB I must have missed your query as I don't understand what you are saying. I put a web cam on here of the M5 near one of the Exeter junctions yesterday. Just to show how little traffic was around. I can't hear a sound from the A303 today although there must be a few drivers out there.
If you're not interested in gardening and plant life you perhaps don't understand the benefits to people's general well being when they grow such things.
Like TDA our local farmshop will supply seeds and compost along with organic veg and wholesale supplied products etc.
The big nursery growers supply plants and seeds, so we can order veg plants alongside flowering plants. So that's fine by me, courgettes and petunias in the same delivery. Why let flowers rot?
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The government hasn't as far as I know forbidden online non essential sales. Some are of course more essential than others. The wiper blade replacement, for the one that fell apart, could become essential if we have to use the car for food shopping. Although I am trying to get online deliveries. The potting compost, seeds and degradable pots less so. What the authorities don't want is more non essential journeys and social interaction. Click and collect such as being offered by B&Q, Halfords and Screwfix, clearly encourage this.
By comparison the tracker on the Amazon delivery wagon the other day said it was doing 120 deliveries. Just knock on door, step several metres back, they sign for you and off for next delivery. Package into quarantine for 48 hours.
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my point (which you all so neatly sidestepped) was that these delivery drivers are not conducting 'essential' transport...and ordering from them isnt helping to keep traffic volumes down.
Hi BB, one of the interesting aspects, I am presuming a little free time to consider such things, is the way that people interpret the ‘guidance’. Some are accused of bending the rules, some of ignoring them so, in the situation you mention, the driver cannot work from home so it matters not wether it’s ‘essential’ as he is entitled to work. This being the case what is he doing wrong?
In the interest of full disclosure I, or rather we, have had a delivery of gardening supplies. The garden centre is closed and collection is under strict controls so delivery seemed the best option.
In a similar vein why can Morrison’s, the only place I have been so far, sell gardening supplies but the garden centres can’t?
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Last week, I ordered, and received, a good supply of wild bird food from the online supplier that I always use.
Checked with the government guidelines before doing so, and nowhere was it suggested that doing such was banned, or even discouraged.
Garden feeders filled up and I’m enjoying watching the birds!
Am I wrong 🤔
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Home delivery from Aldi arrived with most things on list ,"Essential dark chocolate digestives nil stock
) but did get additional delivery of a garden plant instead,,to hot to start digging a hole for it now,may do it in the morningcannot do it now as watching Easter From Kings , then its Outnumbered and Gavin and Stacy
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There have been a lot of newspaper articles about garden centres and wholesale nurseries not wanting to waste the stock they have grown. It's interesting to read that house plant sales have gone up with those who don't have gardens. I hope people won't ever feel guilty about buying and growing plants, there is also a list out there of retailers who must close and those who can remain open.
Garden Centre/Plants LINK
Enjoy your plants everyone. 🌼🥦🧄
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As a non native English speaker, I had to look up "conflate", it is not exactly a word in common use IMO. I kind of knew what M meant, but had to check.
I saw it used on here a while back, but never before that.
Even OH, here 71 years, with a university degree had never heard it used before a wee while back.
Can we stick to plain English?
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a wee while back
I agree plain English please K
PS It was plain English
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It’s a tricky one. Generally speaking, are delivery drivers providing essential products? Mostly not, I would suggest. I’ve had some deliveries, compost...timber, nothing that could be deemed as essential, as compared to food or medicine for example. OTOH, folks that can’t work from home are still expected to go to work, and life still has to go on in some form, doesn’t it?
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