CL advice in current situation
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I have no idea whether the person in front of, or the one behind me [or both], is one of those potentially infected grandparents.
and the person on the other side of the counter serving you has no idea if you're infected or not & he/she has little option as whether to turn up for work
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Government advice published on essential travel on 22 March, just in case you missed it. Guess CLs are included.
Who this guidance is for:
This guidance is for people planning to visit second homes or holiday premises during the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic.Essential travel does not include visits to second homes, camp sites, caravan parks or similar, whether for isolation purposes or holidays. People should remain in their primary residence. Not taking these steps puts additional pressure on communities and services that are already at risk.
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Gtrimmer stated "removed the major benefit of membership from us for at least three months."
So I and others because it was posted in the CL section of the forum came to the conclusion the CL network was his major benefit, not sure how you came to the conclusion he was a Seasonal pitch holder?
However, it matters not, if you are a Seasonal pitch holder I hope you get sorted and your off shore account is healthy👍🏻
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I wonder how many CL owners may think about shifting their allegiance either to the C&CC or go independent when this all blows over? Or even decide to just call it a day? There's bound to be some.
AFAIK t'other club didn't include their CSs in their closure advice. I know the guidance from the Government states that people should avoid travelling to campsites but if they hadn't then presumably those CSs that wanted to stay open could have and may still be doing until formally told to close.
From what I've read of posts from CL owners it would appear that the closures were not discussed with them. I may be wrong. Are many CL owners angry with the club or just philosophical about the closures?
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We used to have a CL, started by my late father-in-law in the 1970’s. When Foot and Mouth Disease struck in 2002, we closed the CL. We were not infected but went into lockdown - no one onto the farm except, milk tanker, feed deliveries and vets. Locked gates, disinfectant etc.
For various reasons we decided not to reopen the CL. I am sure that if we still had it I would not want anyone staying on site, either touring or full-timing.
How do you know you can trust anyone to be as vigilant as you are?
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Had a Facebook message from Barleywood yesterday saying they were closed. They are just about full from March to the end of October so they really will lose a lot of business.
I also received a message from a CL we had booked for Easter they total us they were going to retain our deposit and hold it over until 2021, personally I would like it back
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I've had an email from a CL who I sent £50 to for a weekend break next month. They are now closed as per guidelines. But they are suggesting they keep 50% of my money (£50 being the minimum amount you can send for a weekend stay) and give me 50% to use in the next 6 months in the form of a credit-note.
Now I've not contacted the site about anything since sending the money. Whats the point? But I noted that I could not ask for a refund or credit note should my circumstances change post booking.
My point is this; its a frustrated contract. Is it right they should keep 50% of the deposit/cost of stay? They are suggesting we go halves on the losses. Given they don't go halves on their profit if I stay, that's a bit cheeky I feel?
I appreciate its a difficult time and was prepared to accept a credit note of 100% so as not to disrupt their cash-flow. I've not responded yet.
Any advice?
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Just do what feels right. There’s another thread here somewhere suggesting we buy virtual stays at CLs to help prop them up at this time. It’s personal choice.
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It's a difficult one lordsward, but look at it this way - the £25 might be the difference between the CL surviving and going bust. Good will has little value if the CL is no longer in business after this. You must decide for yourself, but personally I'd be inclined to go along with their offer.
Edit - might suggest to them that the 6 months is from the date they re-open, of course.
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I really doubt that the lack of £25 would send a CL bust, but then it is probably multiple £25s involved.
How many CLs are the only form of income for their owners, very very few I would think, and where they are, as a business is there not support available in some form?
I would at the least expect them to make all of a deposit available for future use.
We had one CL booked, £30 deposit paid, we cancelled before they were ordered to close, on the grounds of unnecessary travel, and asked them if they would hold our deposit for use later, which they were perfectly happy to do.
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I think I would be asking for the entire deposit back because the current situation is so fluid that you might not be able to use any held deposit within the next six months. I am not sure what justification they are giving for withholding 50% of the deposit?
David
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"I really doubt that the lack of £25 would send a CL bust, but then it is probably multiple £25s involved.
How many CLs are the only form of income for their owners, very very few I would think, and where they are, as a business is there not support available in some form?"
Possibly true, but a lot might decide they can't be bothered with all the stress and complication of continuing after all this is over if everyone is demanding all their money back! I don't think many owners are in it to make a livingl
I think on another thread someone mentioned that this is exactly what Morris Leisure are doing (can't remember the exact details) and I'm sure they are in a much better position to weather the current crisis than an individual CL owner.
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Whilst one one level it may seem a little exploiting the situation, I am wondering along with some other whether we will see the CL network decimated after all this.
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That's exactly my point - it won't affect us any more but the phrase "be careful what you wish for" springs to mind.
I read the other day that many theatres and music venues are suggesting that, where performances are inevitably cancelled, ticket holders might consider donating the cost of tickets to performers who won't be able to earn, rather than requesting a refund.
When all this crisis is over we surely want life to return to some sort of normality and I'd have thought the loss of a relatively modest amount of money (in the grand scheme of things) a small price to pay.
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The CL holds 5 vans. Its in addition to their various other business ranging from farming, a family touring site and cottage lets that I know of.
I think we've all lost out on this Government lock-down, certainly I've been losing money since the end of Feb -and I'm not including savings, but lost monies from various other cancellations. I've not asked anyone to subsidise me after taking their money however..
To my mind a £10 admin charge (they have done work in making the booking and cashed a cheque, none of which is free of cost or time) or 100% credit note redeemable in the next year would be fair I feel? We're talking about a trivial amount I know, but its the tone of the response that's got me questioning their offer.
Other trips we've had booked such as a cycling holiday in July, have offered a full refund now or a full credit note for future use.
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I would agree with you, a full refund or a credit note valid for 12mths, after the restrictions are over.
We had a CL booked for mid April, no deposit paid but its a busy CL so they will have lost out on many bookings. We got an email apologising for having to close and wishing us well and they hope to have the pleasure of us staying with them in the future. They certainly will after such a nice email.
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I can see your point, but just consider that, with all those other concerns, they might decide the CL is the least of their priorities, might just decide to combine it with the touring site. So one less CL. I'm not unsympathetic, but as a long term CL user I think they need some consideration too.
Can't comment on the tone of their reply.
I assume the cycling holiday is arranged through a company rather than an individual?
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If it feels fair to the individual, then it's acceptable, albeit slightly unorthodox. The current situation is also unorthodox ...
Innumerable businesses will go bust or will close down before it becomes too late. Just about every major UK economist is agreed that the now unavoidable recession will be the largest in recorded financial history, the only debatable points being the size and duration of the recession.
When the Coronavirus passes, everyone will be ready for a wee treat, and we may need to forego deposit refunds to keep theatres, campsites, CLs et al in business until that time comes.
Steve
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indeed, perhaps the cure is going to be worse than the illness...
only time will tell.
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BB,
I just posted a response on another thread to your post re falling death rates in Italy. I think there's been some updates or changes in reporting cut off periods because both Italy and Spain are reporting record highs for the daily death figures.
I'm certainly not looking for a debate/argument. Just providing what I hope is an update.
Steve
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We are still waiting for a refund from the other Club, hopefully coming soon.
Not only are we (all) suffering from rubbish interest rates, share prices have plummeted affecting our children's pensions (no final salary pensions for them) , and our investments for our grandchildren. Hopefully these will recover, and are long term investments.
Unfortunately, (at the moment) I have a pension from Norway, and their currency has plummeted due to plummeting oil prices, so we have lost at least 25% of that money, something we will never recover.
Hard times all round.
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Kjell,
Analysts are forecasting a sub $10 per barrel oil price as demand disappears because of the stalling of the global economy.
Strange to think that we may look back in 3 months time and reflect that the March 2020 Exchange Rate wasn't so bad after all ...
Steve
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Advance purchasing some Euros about six weeks ago seemed to have been prudent in the light of current exchange rates although, of course, I now can't spend the stuff for the foreseeable future. Mind you given the reported presence of the Russian navy off our shores perhaps I should have bought roubles.
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